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Old 04-26-11, 08:19 AM
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A new racing bike.......

I have returned to riding after a hiatus of many years. I started last summer and started training seriously during the winter. I have been riding my 1974 Schwinn Paramount that I acquired new. It has become clear to me that I need a new bike. I have been thinking of the Cinelli Best of for a frame but I am not sure about components. I know that I want the SRM system for power. I am completely unsure about wheels. I don't know for sure if I will race but I want to train as if it is what I am going to do. I want the best that I can get but want value. I think that I want clincher tires because I have had so much trouble with tubulers in my riding environment. Obviously I will want to have the bike fitted but right now I am just trying to get an idea of what I should be reviewing.
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Old 04-26-11, 08:26 AM
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You have about 1000 choices, depending on your budget. "Value" suggests lightly used, or a good frame with mid-level components (105, Force, Centaur ...)
Get "regular" wheels to get you going. Later, get wheels appropriate to the type of riding you decide to focus on, taking into consideration your weight & terrain.
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Old 04-26-11, 08:40 AM
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Thank you for writing. I am aware of the 1000 choices. That is the problem. I am not on a budget but do not want to buy anything that is overpriced because of it's name. I want the best that can be obtained but I want what is really the best not what is promoted to be the best. I do understand that this is a very personal choice but I am trying to get some ideas. What I want is the best that money can buy but do not want to be foolish.
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For the power meter be sure to check out Quarq pm's as well. They are much cheaper than SRM and they perform just as well. They are also much easier to have serviced since they are in the US.
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Do you intend to be your own mechanic? If not then you should be looking for shop that you trust as what they have availabe and good deals on may not correlate at all with what people here suggest.
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If you haven't ridden anything new for a long time, go test ride some bikes and get a feel for what's new. Then you should be able to figure out what works for you.
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Originally Posted by eippo1 View Post
If you haven't ridden anything new for a long time, go test ride some bikes and get a feel for what's new. Then you should be able to figure out what works for you.
ill agree with the above. there are so many good components out there right now for decent prices you just cant be afraid to look outside the box.
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Old 04-26-11, 12:24 PM
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Thank you all for your comments. Unfortunately there are no high end shops where I live and while I am planning a trip to a major metro area sometime soon, I have been looking for some baseline knowledge, particularly with regard to racing wheels.
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for wheels google Mavic Ksyrium SR and Fulcrum Racing Zero these two will be a good starting point and you will find like everything else a ton of different options and opinions. good luck
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Originally Posted by lprice1023 View Post
I have been looking for some baseline knowledge, particularly with regard to racing wheels.
OK, but it'd be a good idea to think thru how you'll be using those "racing wheels." If you'll be competing in age group road racing, carbon tubulars are the ultimate weapon. If you'll be doing sporting rides, perhaps with a group or club, a set of hand built aluminum clinchers will give you the biggest bang for your buck.
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Originally Posted by LowCel View Post
For the power meter be sure to check out Quarq pm's as well. They are much cheaper than SRM and they perform just as well. They are also much easier to have serviced since they are in the US.
Another recommendation for a Quarq (although I don't think you're there yet--get a good bike and wheels first).
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Old 04-26-11, 02:08 PM
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All the racers I know train on durable aluminum clinchers. You get the same training with heavier unaerodynamic wheels as you would with light carbon wheels. But if your light carbon wheels break, then your training gets interrupted that day. That costs: you can't get that day back. (maybe you have time to get a ride home, swap wheels and head out again. I don't)

I recommend that you test ride some bikes when you get to a place that has good bike stores. Buy a stock bike that fits and rides like you like, swapping out fit items (bars, seat, etc) and getting appropriate gearing. Then ride the stock wheels until you decide that you're going to race. I'm still training on the stock front wheel from my Cervelo R3 that I bought five years ago. It's a little heavy but it won't break. I'd still be using the rear except I got a PowerTap.

I also recommend the Quarq (or a Power Tap if you think you will be swapping between bikes). Both have excellent service in the US and unlike SRM allow the user to change batteries. You will be getting your power meter serviced- they all break eventually.

As long as you get reasonably good frame and cycle parts there is no "best": all bikes are good. Once you get to around $3k or so for a bike there's very little difference. How the bike fits you is more important than if the manufacturer uses Toray 1000 or Toray 800 carbon.
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lprice, here's a value choice for you

a pedalforce CG1 frame
SRAM red group
Boyd Cycling 50mm carbon clincher wheelset

with all the other bits it's under $4k and 14.5lb or so (depending on your other choices)
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I'm pretty content with my Reynolds Assault clinchers. They are not the lightest carbon wheelset out there but they are pretty sturdy. I wanted a wheelset that bridged both high-end carbon and training wheel so I'm not having to change wheels for particular rides. As for a new ride, upgrade your Schwinn.


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Old 04-27-11, 11:54 AM
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I want to thank everyone for their comments. I will be trying new bikes in the next month or so. While I haven't raced for many years, I think that the ultimate result of my present passion for training will go in that direction. If I ever do compete it would be in age group road racing. But I am a few years away from that decision because I am still working on the beginning stages of fitness. The main reason that I have been leaning toward the SRM system has been the issue of the power tap causing wheels to fail. So the feedback about the Quarq is very useful.
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Originally Posted by lprice1023 View Post
I want to thank everyone for their comments. I will be trying new bikes in the next month or so. While I haven't raced for many years, I think that the ultimate result of my present passion for training will go in that direction. If I ever do compete it would be in age group road racing. But I am a few years away from that decision because I am still working on the beginning stages of fitness. The main reason that I have been leaning toward the SRM system has been the issue of the power tap causing wheels to fail. So the feedback about the Quarq is very useful.
I've never heard of that. I think that the main complaint with Powertap is that they add a little weight and they're only good for one wheel (obviously).
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I think the best value in a racing frame that I have found has been the Scott Addict, Cannondale SuperSix, Fuji SST, or Giant TCR. If I could get anything right now, it would be one of those. I've done my research, and have found those frames to offer the same performance as more expensive frames without the vanity pricing and superfluous gadgets you pay for in names like Look, Colnago, Pinarello, Cervelo, and Trek. Those higher priced companies have excellent flagship models, but in each case, you are in some way paying extra for that brand's cache/pedigree.
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Originally Posted by lprice1023 View Post
the issue of the power tap causing wheels to fail.
I'm the only person I know who has PT wheels fail regularly. Mine needs it's 6th rebuild in a little over 4 years. The PT hub geometry is not the best for low l/r tension differential but it's not that bad. The problem is me, not the wheel. I've killed other rear wheels. Something about the way I pedal standing up on steep climbs is hard on wheels. I do a lot of climbing, often over 800,000' per year, and a lot of it is on steep climbs. (The problem is that the NDS spokes start breaking, and in an effort to get the NDS tension higher I use more tension on the DS than the rim can handle, so it cracks. There's a thread about it in the racing section).

I would not worry about it. And Saris's service is great. OTOH I have a friend who has a non-working SRM that he hasn't been able to get fixed. It could be that he's not trying hard enough but with Saris (and from what I read Quarq as well) it's easy to get the meter serviced. Saris has even replaced the freehub body for me when I sent the hub in for a new bearing.
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Originally Posted by mchacon01 View Post
I'm pretty contend with my Reynolds Assault clinchers. They are not the lightest carbon wheelset out there but they are pretty sturdy. I wanted a wheelset that bridged both high-end carbon and training wheel so I'm not having to change wheels for particular rides. As for a new ride, upgrade your Schwinn.

Nice bike, pic wh***....
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A very nice bike indeed...........Here is my old Schwinn
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I'm the only person I know who has PT wheels fail regularly. Mine needs it's 6th rebuild in a little over 4 years. The PT hub geometry is not the best for low l/r tension differential but it's not that bad. The problem is me, not the wheel. I've killed other rear wheels. Something about the way I pedal standing up on steep climbs is hard on wheels. I do a lot of climbing, often over 800,000' per year, and a lot of it is on steep climbs. (The problem is that the NDS spokes start breaking, and in an effort to get the NDS tension higher I use more tension on the DS than the rim can handle, so it cracks. There's a thread about it in the racing section).

I would not worry about it. And Saris's service is great. OTOH I have a friend who has a non-working SRM that he hasn't been able to get fixed. It could be that he's not trying hard enough but with Saris (and from what I read Quarq as well) it's easy to get the meter serviced. Saris has even replaced the freehub body for me when I sent the hub in for a new bearing.
I rode my first powertap, a wired SL, for about three years. I sold it to a buddy of mine that has been riding it for about two years now. It has seen plenty of snow and rain and it is still working perfect. I'm impressed enough with it (and the company) that I now own my third powertap. However, I haven't used it yet since it is for my back up bike. I've got a SRAM Quarq on my primary bike. That thing is awesome.
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Cannondale SuperSix, used SRM from eBay, Rol or custom built psimet wheels
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Originally Posted by lprice1023 View Post
A very nice bike indeed...........Here is my old Schwinn
Now that's a Paramount! Hope you plan on keeping it too.
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It is a keeper.............

Hopefully that bike won't have any other owner as long as I live..........
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