Please educate on "modern/vintage" steel bikes
05-12-11, 06:39 AM
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Please educate on "modern/vintage" steel bikes
I was planning on getting a new caad but I might try a new project. Really like the look of vintage lugged steel frames. For example, 80's colnago frames but I know that modern components cannot be fitted to these frames, I don't even know if modern 700c road wheels will fit on these frames, is the spacing of the hub different?
Are there modern lugged steel frames that can be paired with modern components? I was thinking of building up a bike for races and fast group rides.
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Are there modern lugged steel frames that can be paired with modern components? I was thinking of building up a bike for races and fast group rides.
Thanks
05-12-11, 06:47 AM
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There are many out there. Here's one since you mention Colnago:
https://www.colnago.com/bikes/2011/master-x-light
https://www.colnago.com/bikes/2011/master-x-light
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05-12-11, 07:12 AM
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Here's probably everything you need to know about rear wheels and spacing. You likely will have to do a "cold set" or spread the rear.
https://sheldonbrown.com/speeds.html
https://sheldonbrown.com/speeds.html
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05-12-11, 07:12 AM
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There are many out there. Here's one since you mention Colnago:
https://www.colnago.com/bikes/2011/master-x-light
https://www.colnago.com/bikes/2011/master-x-light
05-12-11, 07:37 AM
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Race orientated bikes in the '80 were generally using 700 wheels but as mentioned above the rear spacing was narrower, 126mm instead of 130mm. But spreading the dropouts 4mm isn't an issue with steel. If you want to use sram you will need to get a frame with a FD braze on or get a braze on adapter as I don't think they make a clamp smaller than 31.8mm. Other than, everything else should fit.
But if you do want something new, the low end of lugged steel is around $600 for a Soma Stanyan. I guess the highest would be a Sachs, but more realistically look at Waterford, IF, Masi and the above Colnago. Also, gvh often has some NOS lugged frames in there inventory for decent prices.
If you would consider a complete bike then bikesdirect now has an ultegra equipped lugged motobecane, too.
But if you do want something new, the low end of lugged steel is around $600 for a Soma Stanyan. I guess the highest would be a Sachs, but more realistically look at Waterford, IF, Masi and the above Colnago. Also, gvh often has some NOS lugged frames in there inventory for decent prices.
If you would consider a complete bike then bikesdirect now has an ultegra equipped lugged motobecane, too.
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In addition to Colnago, Tommasini makes two very nice (and pricey) modern lugged steel frames:
Raleigh has some nice, more affordable, retro-modern bikes
as does Masi (also available as frameset):
Raleigh has some nice, more affordable, retro-modern bikes
as does Masi (also available as frameset):
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I was planning on getting a new caad but I might try a new project. Really like the look of vintage lugged steel frames. For example, 80's colnago frames but I know that modern components cannot be fitted to these frames, I don't even know if modern 700c road wheels will fit on these frames, is the spacing of the hub different?
Are there modern lugged steel frames that can be paired with modern components? I was thinking of building up a bike for races and fast group rides.
Thanks
Are there modern lugged steel frames that can be paired with modern components? I was thinking of building up a bike for races and fast group rides.
Thanks
Race orientated bikes in the '80 were generally using 700 wheels but as mentioned above the rear spacing was narrower, 126mm instead of 130mm. But spreading the dropouts 4mm isn't an issue with steel. If you want to use sram you will need to get a frame with a FD braze on or get a braze on adapter as I don't think they make a clamp smaller than 31.8mm. Other than, everything else should fit.
There are many of us who have upgraded our old bikes with modern components. The Classic & Vintage forum has threads with hundreds of examples.
I have 2, my steel bike I built around 1983, and my Cannondale from 1985
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05-12-11, 08:47 AM
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Mercian in the UK also makes a number of lugged steel frames and complete bikes:
A lot of custom frame builders will also do lugged steel.
A lot of custom frame builders will also do lugged steel.
05-12-11, 09:04 AM
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I am really interested in the Raleigh frame, where can I buy one of these? I hardly even see Raleigh dealers around... Can I purchase the frame online? THanks
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If money is no object and you want to go "all american", nothing beats a customized Waterford.
Otherwise here's a whole thread of inspiration from C&V to convert an old frame with new components:
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...STI-s-or-Ergos
Otherwise here's a whole thread of inspiration from C&V to convert an old frame with new components:
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...STI-s-or-Ergos
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Check around and see if there are any custom frame builders near you. Many of the non-big name ones can build you a custom frame for the same or less cost as a production frame. And they'll build it to run whatever gear you want - old school or new school.
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There are plenty of modern (mid 90's to early 2000's) lugged steel frames with 130mm spacing and even some with threadless forks (although most of them are 1" and not 1 1/8). Merckx Corsa Extra and Colnago Master Light come to mind. I'm not sure which ones have modern cable stops, but it should be easy to find a set of adapters. Heck, I think I have a set in my spare parts bin because they came with the brifters I bought but my frame didn't need them.
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05-12-11, 10:10 AM
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If you are not riding at a highly competitive level but want to hang with the speedier folks a quality steel frame is a nice way to go and many older frames have been refitted with modern bits.
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Kirk and Spectrum make some great looking lugged steel frames.
https://www.kirkframeworks.com/Photo%20Gallery.htm
https://www.spectrum-cycles.com/
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If money is no object and you want to go "all american", nothing beats a customized Ellis Modern Classic.
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