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Zipp's new Service Course bars are nice, light, blingy, and available in a couple shapes.... I'll be using them on my next build.
http://www.zipp.com/bars/service-course-sl-bar/ |
Originally Posted by DrPete
(Post 12698919)
Zipp's new Service Course bars are nice, light, blingy, and available in a couple shapes.... I'll be using them on my next build.
http://www.zipp.com/bars/service-course-sl-bar/ They look nice but they are round bars. I have been spoiled with ergo carbon bars. Bars with large flat wings. Doesn't anyone make ergo aluminum bars? |
Specialized and Easton both make "wing" style aluminum bars. I'm sure there are other companies as well.
Bob |
I believe Cinelli makes a flat top alloy bar.
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Originally Posted by Carbon Unit
(Post 12698874)
Maybe you can recommend a set of bars? I have carbon bars which have been fine because I haven't been in a wreck since I bought the bike five years ago. The bars are 46 CM Winwood Road Scholars which have a large flat area where I put my hands which I really like. What I would like to have is something that is closer to a compact bar with a shorter reach to the drops and a larger flat area to put my hands. I have been looking but I can't find anything. It probably wouldn't make sense to replace my current bars but I would like to build a second bike and I would put the new bars on my next build.
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001
(Post 12698780)
Aluminum bars still have far too many advantages to ever really consider carbon bars. They are usually lighter, stiffer, and more durable given the same set of circumstances, and with modern hydroforming the number of complex shapes than can be produced is always increasing. Not to mention modern shot peening is making the structures even better performing with less material.....
As for "cool kids" riding carbon - lost me there. I know no one her locally who is serious about riding who uses carbon bars at all. I helped a national champ swap his carbon back to aluminum. When I asked him why he went to carbon to begin with he replied, "well...I got them for free so I figured I would try them. That was dumb and now I know why they were free. never again." He's seen carbon break and he's seen aluminum break. He watched the anti carbon folks rail when Hincapie's bars came off at PR when the steerer broke then had a really good chuckle when it turned out the steerer was aluminum. He's of the opinion that not all carbon or aluminum bars are the same, and that making generalizations based on material shows a lack of experience with both products. He also likes writing about himself in the third person. BTW, quite a few pros are on carbon bars these days. |
Originally Posted by M_FactorX19
(Post 12698978)
3T ergonova pros should be what you are looking for. the pro model is alu while the team model is carbon
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Originally Posted by Carbon Unit
(Post 12699088)
I looked at the Specialized and Easton and they looked like round bars to me.
But, I'd say that the 3T bars have a more natural angle to their flats. They won't kink the wrist back as far as the Easton bars do, at least not with the forward bend-to-hood section set up roughly level with the ground. I saw a bike with Ergonova bars at an LBS, and was told that the rider greatly preferred the resulting wrist angle. |
Originally Posted by BarracksSi
(Post 12699192)
Easton's "wing" bars, with the flattened flats, are called "Aero" -- check out the difference between the EA70 and EA70 Aero to see what I mean. I've got some EA30 Aeros on my commuter.
But, I'd say that the 3T bars have a more natural angle to their flats. They won't kink the wrist back as far as the Easton bars do, at least not with the forward bend-to-hood section set up roughly level with the ground. I saw a bike with Ergonova bars at an LBS, and was told that the rider greatly preferred the resulting wrist angle. |
Originally Posted by Carbon Unit
(Post 12699228)
I will take another look at the Eastons but I really like the 3T bars especially the drops. I am fine with the the tops of the Windwood bars I have but have never really liked the drop position mainly because I can put my hands comfortably at the bottom of the bars near the end. There is a bend right where I want to put my hands. The 3T doesn't have any bends more of a gradual curve. I think I would like that better.
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Originally Posted by MikeyBoyAz
(Post 12696025)
So, besides weight, what is so great about carbon fiber handlebars? Especially to make them cost $349.99! (Bonetrager xXx for example)... All the cool people are using them, I know. But what is in it for the rest of us?
Got this FSA K-Wing Compact for $185./shipped: http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1299867079 http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1306448416 http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1306448460 |
Originally Posted by 2ndGen
(Post 12699388)
For me, far more comfortable than the aluminum bars I've experienced, damping, shape & price;
Got this FSA K-Wing Compact for $185./shipped: http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1299867079 http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1306448416 http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1306448460 |
Originally Posted by DrPete
(Post 12696780)
I have carbon aero bars, but would never put CF bars on a road bike. It's just one of those components where failure is not an option and bars get banged around and damaged very easily in crashes, etc. Since most of the bar is covered in tape anyway the little bit of bling and perceived comfort just aren't worth it to me. YMMV, of course.
And cost-wise, remember that just because it's expensive doesn't make it better. Most $30-40 alloy bars will be less likely to ever fail than a cheap $80 CF bar. You can get them for cheap, but if you want them built out of the nice stuff by a company that might actually cover some failures under warranty, the price tag goes up quite a bit. It's probably the more paranoid view, but I like my collarbones a lot. |
Originally Posted by 2ndGen
(Post 12699388)
For me, far more comfortable than the aluminum bars I've experienced, damping, shape & price;
Got this FSA K-Wing Compact for $185./shipped: http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1299867079 http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1306448416 http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1306448460 I do like that the drops better on your bars than the ones I have. I don't like drops that have bends in them. |
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...e/DSC_0943.jpg
These were under $100 on bonktown. Under 200 grams and stiff as far as I can tell. |
Originally Posted by ravenmore
(Post 12699658)
I remember at a crit a couple of years ago a guy crashed because his aluminum bars snapped on him. He broke his collar bone. I honestly think carbon can handle certain stresses better than aluminum.
I feel that the main difference regarding damage is that it's easier to see when alloy bars are damaged (provided that the tape gets peeled back now & then, of course). |
Originally Posted by BarracksSi
(Post 12699674)
Then there's the instance, posted here on BF, of aluminum bars that had corroded so badly under the shifters that the bartape was practically the only thing holding them together.
I feel that the main difference regarding damage is that it's easier to see when alloy bars are damaged (provided that the tape gets peeled back now & then, of course). |
That seems like a ridiculous price.
I scored some Salsa CF risers for my mtb about 4 years ago for $60. They were a takeoff from a new bike and the same deal nowadays would be about $80. My buddy just bought some CF bars for $120 for his road bike, and I scolded him for that. |
Originally Posted by Carbon Unit
(Post 12699660)
These bars are more what I am use to. The 3T bars are the only aluminum bars I have seen so far that look. I have been on a bike with aluminum bars in more than 30 years so I don't really have anything to compare my carbon bars with.
I do like that the drops better on your bars than the ones I have. I don't like drops that have bends in them. My 2nd bar was an ergo bar which I much better preferred, but was to low. This compact is the perfect combination for me and I can ride in the drops much more comfortably now. FSA has the "Compact" design in far less expensive models as well. When I go aluminum with my race bike, I'll opt for a Compact design. :) |
Originally Posted by MikeyBoyAz
(Post 12699540)
in the case of these bars, do you have to re-adjust your fitting to accomidate ( they look like they extend forward after the clamp ), if not, do the tops feel that much better? I know you can pseudo make aero by running the cables in front and back of the bar making a plane of sorts. Are the cables on this bar internally routed?
The pictures don't really do the shapes justice. My cables are internally routed and they operate fine. Andy Da' Debil (because if you listen to him, you'll spend money)... |
Controltech makes some nice hydroformed aluminum bars:
http://www.controltechbikes.com/test...asp?pro_id=168 I have those bars ^ as well as some FSA K-Wing bars, I like both of them but I prefer the shape of the FSA's a little bit more. |
i have arthritis in my cmc (carpometacarpal) joint - where the thumb meets the hand, and my zipp carbon bars have made a huge difference in being able to ride long distances without pain. to dismiss carbon bars as a fad, fashion statement, pro only item, fred only item, or to worry about carbon splinters seems very short-sighted. All components carry with them a risk of failure (do people worry about carbon splinters from carbon frames?), and consumers should understand the risks and rewards of any item they purchase for their bike. there are always isolated cases of failure of items of any material, and most of them (at least in our sport) are few and far between.
if you think you might like carbon bars for some reason, and have the $ to spend on them, why not try them and see what you think. you can always switch back. trying new components is one of the things I enjoy about cycling, and I know I have been able to make the best decisions by trying things out and making up my own mind about whether or not they were worth keeping. |
Originally Posted by motorthings
(Post 12701755)
i have arthritis in my cmc (carpometacarpal) joint - where the thumb meets the hand, and my zipp carbon bars have made a huge difference in being able to ride long distances without pain. to dismiss carbon bars as a fad, fashion statement, pro only item, fred only item, or to worry about carbon splinters seems very short-sighted. All components carry with them a risk of failure (do people worry about carbon splinters from carbon frames?), and consumers should understand the risks and rewards of any item they purchase for their bike. there are always isolated cases of failure of items of any material, and most of them (at least in our sport) are few and far between.
if you think you might like carbon bars for some reason, and have the $ to spend on them, why not try them and see what you think. you can always switch back. trying new components is one of the things I enjoy about cycling, and I know I have been able to make the best decisions by trying things out and making up my own mind about whether or not they were worth keeping. I've ridden full carbon bikes costing twice as much as my bike and it's hard to see much of a difference. I would dare to guess (from reading others' experiences) that the differences would be more noticeable after much longer riding and in extremely highly competitive riding (racing). My CAAD is much more comfortable today than OEM. It cost me a grip, but it was well worth it. (Still, $3.,500. for a great frame with top of the line bits is actually very cheap relatively speaking.) |
Originally Posted by BarracksSi
(Post 12699674)
Then there's the instance, posted here on BF, of aluminum bars that had corroded so badly under the shifters that the bartape was practically the only thing holding them together.
I feel that the main difference regarding damage is that it's easier to see when alloy bars are damaged (provided that the tape gets peeled back now & then, of course). |
That seems like a ridiculous price. |
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