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Too aggressive for a group ride?

Old 06-02-11, 08:54 AM
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Too aggressive for a group ride?

Wednesday night ride. Moderately fast group ride, but mostly people who do not race.

There are 4 points that the front of the ride sprints for, just based on history.

We, on the tandem, take the front about a kilometer before the last sprint point. Wind is coming from the right, so I move to the left, just inside the center line, and gradually ramp it up.

My plan is to make anyone who wants to come around have to go right, into the wind.

About 200 meters from the line, the guy behind yells "get off the center line". I stay put, hold my line, and just dig for it.

No one comes around, but after we sit up, the guy that was yelling comes around yells F you multiple times, flips me the bird and rides off.

Apparently he was pissed because I didn't give him room to go around to the left.

Was I wrong to not let him around on the left?
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Old 06-02-11, 09:01 AM
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I personally do not think you were wrong.. If anything you were doing the right thing holding your line in a sprint type of situation. Sound like the guy was off his meds for being that upset at losing a group ride sprint
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when i used to road race motorcycles it was common knowledge that is was the trailing riders responsibility to make a clean safe pass... the lead rider was simply to ride his/her race... nothing about getting out of the way unless you were a lapped backmarker...

caveat - I know next to nothing about group ride etiquette, so take that with a grain of salt

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I don't see anything wrong with that. I've never had people that I was trying to sprint around try to make it "easy" on me. As long as you aren't making sudden moves then I don't see how you can be accused of being dangerous.

However, with his attitude he would not be welcome back in our local group rides.
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Old 06-02-11, 09:07 AM
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M, I don't know, you did preclude him from collecting those valuable group-ride sprint points.

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I have no idea what the "rules" are in a situation like that. I know in general people like to pass on the left. What I do know is that even if you were wrong, that guy was nuts to get so pissed about something that really doesn't matter. Its not like you were putting anyone in danger. Group rides are for fun and camaraderie. I'd blame it on roid rage
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Whose bike was nicer? Who was wearing the more expensive kit? Who drove a nicer car to the ride? Really not enough info to answer this question.
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I think the problem may be that this group has evolved from a group that was relatively slow, and very safety conscious. A former leader used to preach about not passing on the right.

However, I haven't known that to be observed in the sprints by the people who are now riding at the front of this group.

So he couldn't go left ( there was oncoming traffic) and he felt constrained somehow about going right. But even then you have the choice of just not coming around so I didn't see anything unsafe to get pissed about.
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Whose bike was nicer? Who was wearing the more expensive kit? Who drove a nicer car to the ride? Really not enough info to answer this question.
And the most significant piece of missing information is that he's my wife's boss.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
And the most significant piece of missing information is that he's my wife's boss.
I hope your joking
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Was your wife the stoker? If so, it may not be about the bike.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
And the most significant piece of missing information is that he's my wife's boss.
uh oh, you're screwed
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Sounds petty and bitter. You have no responsibility to shield anyone from the wind.
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He's a ******. Let him flip people off in a race. He probably doesn't race. You ruined his weekly race.
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uh oh, you're screwed
Nah, the bird and the F you, negates the whole thing.
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The understanding they might have is that you don't pass on the right (I know a group where everybody has agreed to it to avoid crashes). If you're riding next to the center line you're forcing the guy wanting to pass you to sprint into the incoming traffic lane. I can see how that would be irritating, but the guy's reaction appears too dramatic.
I seems that the "tactics" (forcing people passing you to go into the wind) would be more appropriate for a race, than an informal group ride.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
Wednesday night ride. Moderately fast group ride, but mostly people who do not race.

There are 4 points that the front of the ride sprints for, just based on history.

We, on the tandem, take the front about a kilometer before the last sprint point. Wind is coming from the right, so I move to the left, just inside the center line, and gradually ramp it up.

My plan is to make anyone who wants to come around have to go right, into the wind.

About 200 meters from the line, the guy behind yells "get off the center line". I stay put, hold my line, and just dig for it.

No one comes around, but after we sit up, the guy that was yelling comes around yells F you multiple times, flips me the bird and rides off.

Apparently he was pissed because I didn't give him room to go around to the left.

Was I wrong to not let him around on the left?
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And the most significant piece of missing information is that he's my wife's boss.
Please, please, please, pleeeeaaaaase tell us you had the video camera on that day!

Please?

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The only rule I know of is to hold your line, which you did. Of course, if he is your wife's boss he probably expected deference. He's a jerk in any case.
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Am I missing something? You're all the way to the left of the lane, leaving him the entire lane and he has a problem with this?

If I read this right it was tactically the correct move (if you want to be on the front) and also the safest. He has the whole fricken' lane. He just has to deal with the wind but so what, it's a sprint. If he was so worried about safety he wouldn't be sprinting at all!

Too bad he's your wife's boss...
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I have no idea what the "rules" are in a situation like that. I know in general people like to pass on the left.
This is true but anybody who is sprinting should be comfortable with passing on the right. (If he's uncomfortable with passing on the right, he should not be sprinting in a group.)

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I think the problem may be that this group has evolved from a group that was relatively slow, and very safety conscious. A former leader used to preach about not passing on the right.
This is what I was figuring. The "pass on the left" rule make senses (especially for riders starting out) because it makes things more predictable. Experienced riders can pass on the right safely (which means the "pass on the left" rule isn't written in stone). I'm not sure if sprinting in a group is really being "very safety conscious".

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If he was so worried about safety he wouldn't be sprinting at all!
Yes.

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In a ride like that, your job is to hold your line and not do anything stupid. You have no obligation to kowtow to the whims of jackasses, a category that includes any cyclist who flips out because others didn't go out of their way to accommodate him.

My condolences to your wife. I'll bet the guy is a blast to work with...
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Does flipping someone off count as a wave? If it does then he was fine. If not then yeah - a-hole status for sure.

I would have yelled, "It's called guttering B****!"

Nothing wrong with what you did - as you already know. That said I have found I have no patience for people that treat a group ride like the only race of the week anymore (meaning the other guy). Ride competitively, do things like guttering, etc....that's what group rides are great for, but it's uncalled for to act like he did. Tell him to STFU and pay for a number on the weekend before complaining about anything.
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Besides, what's a better freight-train to the line than a fast moving tandem?

If you can hang on, that is...
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I can only assume that you'd made some sort of prearranged deal to lead him out, and then to let him through on the left
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if that was not the case, he's a drooling cretin and should keep right on riding by himself (the path he seems to have already chosen)

the correct option is clear I think?
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Unless you were swerving and almost ran him off the road, there is absolutely no reason to curse at anyone. And even if you were swerving all over the place, that is still no reason for a temper tantrum. If you are a regular with this group and if there is a leader or president of some sort, I'd report the guy. There is no need for that and he shouldn't be riding in friendly groups rides.

Did he know who you guys were when he was yelling at you? Has he apologized to your wife? I'd confront his ass in a polite manner.
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