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Are full fits really worth $250?

Old 06-05-11, 01:02 PM
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Is a BG fit all that different from a fit from your LBS? It must be as it seems to take some time, how do they do it? Where to you go for one? Is there anyway to ensure you have found a fitter that knows what he/she is doing?
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Originally Posted by Northwestrider
Is a BG fit all that different from a fit from your LBS? It must be as it seems to take some time, how do they do it? Where to you go for one? Is there anyway to ensure you have found a fitter that knows what he/she is doing?
It's the same thing (basically) but more detailed and precise. If you are a racer (and competitive), it might be worth the $250 to eek out even small improvements.
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
But did you talk to them about the particular problem you are having?

You really should be specific about what shoes and pedals you are using.

And I hope you did a bit of googling too (since you don't mention what you found, it doesn't seem that you did).

https://www.cptips.com/footsyn.htm
https://www.active.com/cycling/Articl...le-Cycling.htm
This is the problem I'm having with you and other people like you. I understand you are trying to help, and while I appreciate that, some of you can be percieved as being downright condescending. When you say things like "and I hope you did a bit of googling too (since you don't mention what you found, it doesn't seem that you did)." I didn't mention googling because I didn't find anything that immediately pertains to this issue, and if I did, I'd mention it. You guys act like you expect everyone to explain, in great detail, every step they have ever taken on the internet. ****. It's not up to you to decide if the amount of research I've done on Google is sufficient.

The shoes are Specialized Expert, and I'm using Shimano SPD-SL in the form of 105 pedals. Since you want to know everything it seems, the bicycle in question is a BMC SL01 54cm Ultegra (I used to mention this but then people accused me of bragging, so I quit - damned if you do damned if you don't I suppose.) I am 5'10" with a longer torso than legs.
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Originally Posted by wphamilton
At the risk of stirring things up, doesn't the perfect fit change depending on how hard you're riding, or as you get stronger, or more tired?
Yes, it does. Cyclists also move around too. The idea of getting a fit is to pick the one "best" fit that these other ones vary around.
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Originally Posted by Vicelord
Get off your high horse and stop trying to put people in thei place on the Internet.
Does anyone else see the irony in this?
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
If you are a racer (and competitive), it might be worth the $250 .
Well I'm not a racer but would be interested in a more comfortable long distance ride. I have located where I can get one, and it's close to where I live. Is there any way I can help to determine if the fitter is any good?
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njkayaker, the first link you sent me was a great read. I do overpronate quite a bit. I may be onto something.
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Originally Posted by Vicelord
This is the problem I'm having with you and other people like you. I understand you are trying to help, and while I appreciate that, some of you can be percieved as being downright condescending. When you say things like "and I hope you did a bit of googling too (since you don't mention what you found, it doesn't seem that you did)." I didn't mention googling because I didn't find anything that immediately pertains to this issue, and if I did, I'd mention it. You guys act like you expect everyone to explain, in great detail, every step they have ever taken on the internet. ****. It's not up to you to decide if the amount of research I've done on Google is sufficient.
Dude you're the one having problems and asking for advice.

Stop being a dbag or nobody will help you. You should be happy that people are even bothering to put the effort into typing responses to you, with the poor attitude you have. If you want to alienate yourself on the site keep doing what you're doing.
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Originally Posted by Vicelord
This is the problem I'm having with you and other people like you.
I've haven't been condescending (in this or the other threads) but you, the one asking the question, can very condescending if you imagine that the answer somebody provides isn't quite up to your seemingly overly-fussy standards!

The mistake you are making in these threads is expecting/requiring other random people to change their behavior.

If you find advice that is someway not quite to your taste, it's a much better strategy to ignore it. In fact, the way you choose to respond to those kinds of posts gets you more of the same!!

Note that the problems you are having with people's replies is very unusual. That might mean the problem is you rather than the rest of the world!

Originally Posted by Vicelord
I understand you are trying to help, and while I appreciate that, some of you can be percieved as being downright condescending. When you say things like "and I hope you did a bit of googling too (since you don't mention what you found, it doesn't seem that you did)." I didn't mention googling because I didn't find anything that immediately pertains to this issue, and if I did, I'd mention it. You guys act like you expect everyone to explain, in great detail, every step they have ever taken on the internet. ****.
If this bothered you so much, you really should avoid the internet entirely!

You can choose to ignore what people say OR you can choose to get huffy about it and be condescending to people who are trying to help. It's a rookie mistake to think that the second option is the one that will work best for you!

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It's not up to you to decide if the amount of research I've done on Google is sufficient.
Dude, you are the with the questions! It's a rookie mistake on your part not to mention the pedal system you are using. While it's OK to have missed providing this information, you manged to be condescending about providing it!

(I don't think the bike matters.)

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Originally Posted by Northwestrider
Well I'm not a racer but would be interested in a more comfortable long distance ride. I have located where I can get one, and it's close to where I live. Is there any way I can help to determine if the fitter is any good?
In my not so educated opinion, all of them will be at least somewhat equal as in order to offer the service, they must go through Specialized training school. It's kind of like choosing amongst Ford technicians at the dealership. One may be better than another, but the differnence will be almost solely based on experience as they are all taught the same information.
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Originally Posted by Vicelord
In my not so educated opinion, all of them will be at least somewhat equal as in order to offer the service, they must go through Specialized training school. It's kind of like choosing amongst Ford technicians at the dealership. One may be better than another, but the differnence will be almost solely based on experience as they are all taught the same information.
Except that your problem might be a bit usual.
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there it is again with that "you're a rookie" or you're a noob talk. That **** goes without saying. You don't need to constantly remind people that they are a rookie and you are experienced at every level. I'm more likely to listen to you if you don't feel the need to tell me why I should listen to you. Is that fair?
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Originally Posted by Vicelord
I am 5'10"
So much for my "Short man syndrome" theory.
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
Except that your problem might be a bit usual.
huh?

I was doing my best to answer northwestrider's question about how to determine if the fitter is good.....?
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So much for my "Short man syndrome" theory.
yup. So much for that.
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Eh, why not.

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Originally Posted by njkayaker
Dude, you are the with the questions! It's a rookie mistake on your part not to mention the pedal system you are using.
When you say things like that, it makes it seem as though you don't think someone is worthy of speaking to them.

Don't talk to me rook! How dare you think you can speak to us high level bicycling enthusiasts. You don't even know to provide your pedal information when you post? pishhhh, amateur.

Hey, buddy. This is what makes someone a beginner, they don't think of that stuff as making a difference, or else it would have been mentioned, hence the term beginner. I know know in the future to include that information and I now know that it is pertinent. Look, I learned something that I didn't know. If you want respect from me, why don't you word things in a respectful manner? I'm the nicest most loyal guy you'll meet, but people who act as though they are better than me are my hot button. Even if you are 10,000x's better than me, you still don't need to make it known or draw attention to it.
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i was fortunate early on to have a coach teach me how to dial in my own fit. i taught a version of that process in my learn-to-race courses. a well prepared athlete should have the tools to dial in their own fit and understand that fit is ephemeral and changes with your body and time. (eg. i always put on about 10-15lb in the offseason and would have to lower my saddle to compensate). there are a lot of resources available and its a process worth pursuing long term.
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Originally Posted by Northwestrider
Is a BG fit all that different from a fit from your LBS? It must be as it seems to take some time, how do they do it? Where to you go for one? Is there anyway to ensure you have found a fitter that knows what he/she is doing?
It's different than what the LBS does as the FIT specialists with Specialized have to attend training / certification and there is continuing professional development. The computer, ergo tools, video camera capture and software make it easier to store and analyze data. I was looking for a bike at some other LBS's and they said they could do a "fit" which comprised of using a plumb bob to measure leg to crank, and maybe some tweaks with the stem and saddle.

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/...20Fit%20Dealer

The BG FIT was from the groundup and took a few hours. At the end of the day I have a bike that needs no tweaks, an orthodic for my right leg, spacers in the pedal and proper crank/ new stem and seat adjustments.
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Originally Posted by Vicelord
When you say things like that, it makes it seem as though you don't think someone is worthy of speaking to them.

Don't talk to me rook! How dare you think you can speak to us high level bicycling enthusiasts. You don't even know to provide your pedal information when you post? pishhhh, amateur.

Hey, buddy. This is what makes someone a beginner, they don't think of that stuff as making a difference, or else it would have been mentioned, hence the term beginner. I know know in the future to include that information and I now know that it is pertinent. Look, I learned something that I didn't know. If you want respect from me, why don't you word things in a respectful manner? I'm the nicest most loyal guy you'll meet, but people who act as though they are better than me are my hot button. Even if you are 10,000x's better than me, you still don't need to make it known or draw attention to it.
You couldn't have a bigger inferiority complex if you tried
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Originally Posted by mazdaspeed
You couldn't have a bigger inferiority complex if you tried
I probably could, and I could also make the argument that some members of this forum have a huge superiority complex.

When I give someone advice about a subject I understand very well, the last thing I'm doing is reminding that person of their noob'ness. The sheer fact they are asking a question is aknowledging they are a noob. I also don't need to explain to them why I'm the person they should be asking, because simply answering with the correct answer is enough to tell them that.

Seriously, I thought this stuff was a basic way of knowing how not to alienate people. sheesh.
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Originally Posted by Vicelord
huh?

I was doing my best to answer northwestrider's question about how to determine if the fitter is good.....?
I don't think your foot problem is common. If so, it might not be reasonable to expect that every fitter is going to be able to deal with it.
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
I don't think your foot problem is common. If so, it might not be reasonable to expect that every fitter is going to be able to deal with it.
fair enough, but it has to be at least somewhat common or you wouldn't have been able to find information on how to remedy it published.
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Originally Posted by Vicelord
When you say things like that, it makes it seem as though you don't think someone is worthy of speaking to them.
You are still not getting the essential criticism. People (including me) say this stuff as a response to the particular way you choose say things (some of what you are saying).

Requiring other people on the internet to change their behavior to conform to what you desire is absurd.

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Don't talk to me rook! How dare you think you can speak to us high level bicycling enthusiasts. You don't even know to provide your pedal information when you post? pishhhh, amateur.
Again, the fact that you didn't provide the pedal information wasn't the problem. The problem was the HUFFY annoyed comment you made about providing that information. I asked nicely and you made an obnoxious reply!

(Anyway, complaints about foot numbness/hotspots are fairly common for MTB SPD pedals, which you aren't using. This complaint appears to be due to the size of the platform supporting the foot.)

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The sheer fact they are asking a question is aknowledging they are a noob.
Your problem isn't that you are a "noob". It's that you get overly huffy and fussy about what people post in reply.

If you choose not to get all huffy, you'd get fewer posts that upset you. (Keep in mind that you choose how you reply!)

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Seriously, I thought this stuff was a basic way of knowing how not to alienate people. sheesh.
This is knowledge that you clearly lack!

And since you are the person who wants the value from these discussions, it's you that has to avoid alienating people!

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Originally Posted by Vicelord
fair enough, but it has to be at least somewhat common or you wouldn't have been able to find information on how to remedy it published.
But that's google stuff that you said wasn't applicable (or something)! Anyway, the fact that you can find stuff on google doesn't mean it's common or that any particular fitter has the right experience to address your problem.

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You couldn't have a bigger inferiority complex if you tried
Why don't you just drop it.

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