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Is my fear of shop rides irrational?

Old 06-18-11, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by John_V View Post
Excuse me?
you and I are both John V.
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Old 06-18-11, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by John_V View Post
Well, since I don't live in your area and have never ridden with your group, I really don't know what their rules are. There are basic group rules plus each group has their own specific rules. Before you ride ask them, then you will know what rules you shouldn't break. Pretty simple, don't you think?
You're pretty good at coming up with non-informative posts.

In any case, here are some group riding guidelines to get started with: https://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=6731
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Old 06-18-11, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by gregf83 View Post
You're pretty good at coming up with non-informative posts.

In any case, here are some group riding guidelines to get started with: https://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=6731
He is also really good at making people feel stupid. If it were really that simple to me, would I be asking? no.

And thanks for the link. I'll make sure to read it before the ride.
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Old 06-18-11, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Velo Gator View Post
"No drop" is a lie here.
Truth. Unless the whole group is made up of your friends.

If you're talking about the TH night Tribe rides, those guys are fast. If you can't keep up with the group, you're kind of left on your own besides the stragglers you'll end up riding alongside (me; 18-19.5). I'd say they average 19-23 with stop lights. They're very competitive as a whole. It helps to know when a group is going to sprint too (hint: Curry road's hill).

Haven't been on many other group rides besides that. If you're kind of nervous, go to a slower group that you know you can keep up with. Gives you a confidence boost too
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Old 06-18-11, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by gregf83 View Post
The rider in front 'pulls' the rest of the group. Normally, they will rotate through and you may end up in front. Just pay attention to what others are doing and if you end up in front pull for a few seconds and then rotate off the same as everyone else.
this.

also make sure to ride very smooth and predictable. dont swerve suddenly, slam on your brakes, etc. watch your front wheel. dont over lap with the rider in front of you.
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Old 06-18-11, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Vicelord View Post
Sippery Pig Central just south of Camelback. Ride goes around Paradise Valley.
Checked their website. I only saw info on a weekday PM ride starting from the central location. Doesn't sound like the same ride you are talking about... so is your ride invite only?
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The hardest thing about group rides to me is pulling on a hill. I never know how fast to go. I try hard to keep my power output even, but still screw it up.

I wish people would just yell out to slow down, or speed up.
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Curry's "hill" lol.

i think this group is only a few people.
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Old 06-18-11, 07:40 PM
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Old 06-18-11, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Commodus View Post
The hardest thing about group rides to me is pulling on a hill. I never know how fast to go. I try hard to keep my power output even, but still screw it up.

I wish people would just yell out to slow down, or speed up.
The effort is much more relevant than the speed. Keep the effort the same...same with downhill.
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Originally Posted by elzy0000 View Post
Checked their website. I only saw info on a weekday PM ride starting from the central location. Doesn't sound like the same ride you are talking about... so is your ride invite only?
no its open to anyone, their website is just not updated much. The road ride is Sunday morning at 7AM, mountain is Wednesday night at 7PM. They post the rides on their facebook more often, but the schedule never changes.
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Your fear of shop rides is irrational since you haven't done any yet.

You can read a thousand posts and not understand a quarter of what you'll learn on your first group ride. Stop worrying and do it. Its like dancing- if you do what everyone else is doing you'll be fine.
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it's pretty simple. Go out and give it a go. See what happens; adjust accordingly
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Originally Posted by ericm979 View Post
Your fear of shop rides is irrational since you haven't done any yet.

You can read a thousand posts and not understand a quarter of what you'll learn on your first group ride. Stop worrying and do it. Its like dancing- if you do what everyone else is doing you'll be fine.
Or you'll look ridiculous, just like everyone else.
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Originally Posted by Vicelord View Post
He is also really good at making people feel stupid. If it were really that simple to me, would I be asking? no.

And thanks for the link. I'll make sure to read it before the ride.
Link is pretty much for experienced fast racers. Wouldn't be good for the social groups full of newbies and rec riders we see here. No calling obstacles? A few cm between bars?

Just show up and make it clear you're new to the group and bunch riding. Avoid wearing your team kit if possible.

Don't be scared to take a short pull.
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Originally Posted by ILUVUK View Post
The effort is much more relevant than the speed. Keep the effort the same...same with downhill.
I know that, but somehow I still screw it up. I think I'm unable to accurately judge my effort level on hills.

I'm sure I'll get it, but it's a bit frustrating right now.
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Originally Posted by Vicelord View Post
Like I said, I'm not looking for an exact speed. I'm just curious how fast these rides usually go. Are shop rides 12mph? 35mph? I mean I have no idea, so even an educated guess is better than what I know at the moment.
Our Wednesday PM shop ride breaks into several groups. The slowest is 12mph, the fastest is 21mph. This weekend I'm visiting the low mountains of Northeast Pennsylvania. The normal Saturday morning group ride out of the closest shop goes 15-17mph, but it's a lot hillier than my midwestern ride. Only one other rider showed up for it this morning because there was a cycling event in town, so I can't tell you whether that 15-17 over hills is comparable to 21 in the midwestern wind. I suspect not, though. All this is a way of saying that your question doesn't have an easy answer IME.
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it's pretty simple. Go out and give it a go. See what happens; adjust accordingly
It's never this easy in the 41. You know that.
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Originally Posted by znomit View Post
Link is pretty much for experienced fast racers. Wouldn't be good for the social groups full of newbies and rec riders we see here. No calling obstacles? A few cm between bars?
You don't need to be fast to ride properly.
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well I just did the route + a little more. 27.33 miles in 1:32 minutes averaged 16.8mph including stop lights and slow climbs (2 cat 5's.) I felt pretty good the whole time but I don't think I could have pushed it much more. I feel like they are going to be faster than me so I hope next week when I go on the ride there are a couple of other slower people.

Rumor has it now though the ride may go up South Mountain, 1155ft climb in 6.5 miles but it's 8 miles to get there. I can do the mountain but it is really tough for me. If they do that ride, I might get so intimidated I just tell them to go ahead. It's going to be 90+ degrees and it will be a 30 mile ride with 1155 ft of climbing... ugh, and I only have 48oz of water... duh duh duhhhhhhh
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Originally Posted by Vicelord View Post
well I just did the route + a little more. 27.33 miles in 1:32 minutes averaged 16.8mph including stop lights and slow climbs (2 cat 5's.) I felt pretty good the whole time but I don't think I could have pushed it much more. I feel like they are going to be faster than me so I hope next week when I go on the ride there are a couple of other slower people.

Rumor has it now though the ride may go up South Mountain, 1155ft climb in 6.5 miles but it's 8 miles to get there. I can do the mountain but it is really tough for me. If they do that ride, I might get so intimidated I just tell them to go ahead. It's going to be 90+ degrees and it will be a 30 mile ride with 1155 ft of climbing... ugh, and I only have 48oz of water... duh duh duhhhhhhh
thats flater than the flatest route i ride.

you should be fine. its not like the climbing wont slow them down too. stop trying to talk yourself out of it. you will be fine and glad you went.
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Originally Posted by Vicelord View Post
well I just did the route + a little more. 27.33 miles in 1:32 minutes averaged 16.8mph including stop lights and slow climbs (2 cat 5's.) I felt pretty good the whole time but I don't think I could have pushed it much more. I feel like they are going to be faster than me so I hope next week when I go on the ride there are a couple of other slower people.

Rumor has it now though the ride may go up South Mountain, 1155ft climb in 6.5 miles but it's 8 miles to get there. I can do the mountain but it is really tough for me. If they do that ride, I might get so intimidated I just tell them to go ahead. It's going to be 90+ degrees and it will be a 30 mile ride with 1155 ft of climbing... ugh, and I only have 48oz of water... duh duh duhhhhhhh
just do the ride. no need for anymore hand-wringing.
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Originally Posted by M_FactorX19 View Post
thats flater than the flatest route i ride.

you should be fine. its not like the climbing wont slow them down too. stop trying to talk yourself out of it. you will be fine and glad you went.
The whole climb is in 6.5mi though. There are a few parts with 18% climbs for a few hundred yards.
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