Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 12856550)

So you're saying I have to buy Red just to experience this sub-par mechanical crap so that my whining about it carries some credibility?

Originally Posted by RTDub (Post 12850283)

The Millennium Falcon didn't have Zipps and still made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs. So where are ya going to spend the money?

Originally Posted by canam73 (Post 12856807)

It would take a bit more than that for you to gain credibility.

Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 12856909)

The Pope of BF needs no Fred Cred. I have a Higher Authority on my side.

Originally Posted by dem219 (Post 12856845)

This isn't very good advice, it doesn't make any sense - considering a parsec is a unit of distance.

Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 12856167)

Have I mentioned the general inferiority of Sram products yet today?

Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 12856550)

So you're saying I have to buy Red just to experience this sub-par mechanical crap so that my whining about it carries some credibility?

Originally Posted by zigmeister (Post 12857270)

This guy disagrees.

Originally Posted by RTDub (Post 12857615)

Pcad, you've been extra cranky lately. Did you assimilate botto?

Originally Posted by surgeonstone (Post 12857610)

Haven't you heard? It's not about the bike!

Originally Posted by Soloist Assassin (Post 12854820)

Best answer. Even know I notice a difference when climbing at slower speeds because of the weight. They really shine at higher speeds. The higher the better. I can hold 28-30mph a lot longer, and easier with my 404 tubies than any other wheel I own. If all you can muster is 19mph on a 20mile ride, it either better be all hills, or you don't need Zipps yet. No 404 tubies for you!

http://crxbart.com/cycling/cerveloonzipps2.jpg

Originally Posted by jsutkeepspining (Post 12858169)

aren't you a 5?

Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 12858205)

Go easy, he thinks he's some friggin Flyover Land heavily armed version of Jens Voigt or something. I think it's some kind of crystal meth side effect.

Originally Posted by jsutkeepspining (Post 12858214)

when did 5's get permission to ried under 14 lbs bikes? go ride/race a bike with 32 spoke box section rims and a 90's aluminum frame now!

Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 12858258)

You can't even spell ride.

Assassin can ride whatever the eff he wants.

Originally Posted by hhnngg1 (Post 12851081)

My favorite 'sandbag' move on group rides which usually involve triathletes (nothing against them, seriously), is to take my mountain bike on a group ride with a hilly course. I'll pedal like mad to just keep up on the flats and downhills (the gearing gets maxxed out, so I'm hitting 130+rpm usually) but then on the climbs, it comes down mostly to power/weight and not aeroness, so you can thrash all the guys who aren't as strong but are rocking $2k+ Zipp wheels, aero frames, and aero helmets. Did that last year on a Thanksgiving ride, and brought my 33lbs commuter hardtail with a rear rack. Got some really doutful looks and even some comments about 'he's not gonna keep up' at the start, but they all changed their tune after the first climb. Nothing like a good sandbag, heh heh.

Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 12856540)

D12 is a vitamin you imbecile. Di2 is the world's cutting edge bicycle derailleur system.

Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 12857627)

If you think that then you have the wrong bike.

Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 12858205)

Go easy, he thinks he's some friggin Flyover Land heavily armed version of Jens Voigt or something. I think it's some kind of crystal meth side effect.

Originally Posted by jsutkeepspining (Post 12858214)

when did 5's get permission to ried under 14 lbs bikes? go ride/race a bike with 32 spoke box section rims and a 90's aluminum frame now!

Originally Posted by surgeonstone (Post 12858434)

I think it's B12 you imbecile.

Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 12857626)

Who?