I will never get to experience the joy of riding with a hammock under my ass.

Yeah I definitely had the saddle tilted up on both bikes.

Well, if you still felt like you were falling forward, you needed to tilt it more. It does take a little bit of adjustment to get the tilt just right for you. Some people have their saddles tilted to a point that looks like it would be very uncomfortable ... but it's not.

Brooks saddles are useless

You forgot and fugly too.

The B17 is intended for touring or commuter bikes. If you want a traditional racing saddle, take a look at the Brooks Swallow -- however, if you don't like Brooks, use whatever you like -- I don't think the UCI has a rule about that yet, just be sure its level.

You take that back!

for the record, i never said brooks saddles were ugly, they are just heavy and unconventional. im all for quirky things, and definitely british quirky things but thats one product i dont care to fuss with.

haha!

In a sport full of spandex being stretched well beyond designed intent, nobody will even notice the saddle.

You know you sit pretty much near the end of the saddle unlike most conventional saddles? So if the rails are longer in front and clamped there, it'll probably snap from the leverage. I'm sure Brooks thought of that.

Maybe your frame size is too small.

+1

When you have a setback post and the saddle all the way back and you are still having problems, maybe look into getting a larger frame.

Or, at the risk of blaspheming in the 41, change the angle of your stem.

My B17s are definitely not crap. However not for my road bike (anymore). Just switched the B17 Imperial to arione and the arione is comfortable from the first ride. As my position has gotten racier, i found that my B17 wouldn't cut it. I have to admit that because B17 was so comfortable I was able bike a lot and lose weight (lost 40 lbs riding the brooks since 1 Jan).

Brooks saddles were designed in the days when 70-72 degree seat tubes were standard, so saddle setback wasn't a problem.

Riders who keep buying Brooks saddles, just like the people who buy Martin guitars, like them just the way they are, so I doubt anything's going to change.

(hehe.)

As has been beat to death on other posts (but I'll still bring it up here...), Brooks' do take a bit to break in. My B17 Imperial needed a good 500-700 miles before the shine was worn off and some swale was put into the leather. Before that, I always felt I was sliding, no matter what setback or angle. Now, the leather is totally dull after 2700 sweaty miles and I feel like I stick like glue to it...and that's a good thing to me. It is a wonderful thing to forget about what you are sitting on. It just disappears on every ride...even after many, many hours. Screw an extra 100 grams...I want an extra 100+ minutes more of comfort!

Funny... because I've been trying to push my brooks swift further up and there it is not long enough to get it more forward... I have a setback post also. probably standard setback. I'm looking into a Thomson 0 setback so that I can have more options of saddle placement. Of course I am a small rider... the frame I have is the smallest it comes in but the top tube is longer than normal or at least longer than I want. Just someone on the other side of the scale, I guess.

I guess this explains why everyone hates them so much and they have so much trouble staying in business.

That is one beautiful seatpost. Thanks for posting

Kalloy Guizzo Carbon 30mm setback - about that .5in you needed as opposed to a typical 20mm. http://www.jensonusa.com/store/produ...x?SSAID=332695

Under $50.00

"on the rivet" - riding at full on speed while up on the NOSE of the saddle, where there are also rivets.

Must not offend the cool aid drinkers :)
Please don't take offense, it is just a joke.

I'll take any brooks off of anyone's hands who isn't happy :D

Hopefully we'll see something really special.

Fixed for you...

Yeah, no s**t.