patentcad

You can't let it go can you?

bmulls

There's a reason that most pro riders are now using Sram stuff....

This definitely sounds like a poor limit adjustment or cross chaining... OR a mixture of both

patentcad

Yeah, but neither can they.

patentcad

Moronic and meaningless gear spats are the dilithium crystals of the 41 Warp Drive.

patentcad

Take us to Fred Factor Nine Sulu. The BF Helm is yours.

KiddSisko

He is conflicted. You can see that. Eventually he'll come around and do the sensible thing and make up his own mind. In the meantime we just have to continue the pressure and tolerate all the vacillating and hand wringing.

patentcad

Fixed. We call it Sponsorship Dough.

patentcad

Invent your own schtick, and keep your day job.

KiddSisko

I wonder if you're giving him too much credit. Pcad, sensible?

KiddSisko

Warner Brothers invented arguing with oneself. Or maybe it was Shakespeare. Possibly even Moses.

KiddSisko

Gotta walk dogs. Just take the leap.

ilovecycling

I love my SRAM Red equipped bike. I've had 105, Rival, Ultegra 6700, and now Red (in that order) on my bikes over the past 2 years. To make a long story short, SRAM has faster and less finicky rear shifting, but Shimano has faster and less finicky front shifting. I prefer SRAM's double tap controls and ergonomics. I'm not a fan of all the exposed metal behind the Shimano levers and the hoods still don't feel as comfortable as SRAM's. I haven't had reliability issues with either. The Red double tap levers are the best piece that SRAM makes. The zero-loss on the right shifter makes for lightning fast rear shifts. I can double/triple/quadruple-tap down the cassette in like 2 seconds, whereas Shimano's lever moves over a good mile before the darn thing clicks down a cog. With Red, I can shift down the cassette virtually as fast as a Campy system. Can't do that with Shimano. Shimano is smooth and quiet, but slow and chunky.

Di2 is amazing and other than being heavy it blows away anything SRAM or Campy makes, but if we're talking about purely mechanical systems I'll take Red or even Rival over mechanical DA 7900 any day of the week.

roadwarrior

I love it when people tell me what I am thinking or what I believe. It's usually an indicator that they are wrong about so many other things. And I find I am usually correct.

LOL.

BTW...I recall a rather whiny series of posts about how well 7900 worked. When I told you ahead of time it sucked.

Oh, well....

DC_United_Fan

"I'm Thomas, an unattached CAT 5 no-name, and I choose SRAM..."

If ya' don't like it, don't ride it. If ya' find something that works better, it's your freakin' money, spend it on whatever you like. SRAM works for me, and in my experience, works better than the fishing equipment company's stuff. While I find it itereseting that some of you have broken, adjusted, fixed, torn up and replaced X number of of SRAM components, I haven't experienced the same issues with mine.

noise boy

Because they are paid to, it's called marketing.

RT

Word.

My 8 speed Microshift never drops. Get it looked at by a wrench or learn to adjust it yourself. SRAM did not get where they are by making components out of paper clips, duct tape and rubber bands.

eippo1

Actually Greek philosophers would often frame their arguments as actual arguments, and so they were one of the first documented cases of self argument.

RT

It had to be done.

roadwarrior

Same here. And I have two bikes, one Rival one Red. No problems. Shifts great. I even took the Red bike out for a hill ride giving the FD a good workout. Shifted flawlessly.

Nick Bain

this was the problem, I realized it after the chain was hitting the FD in the lowest gear combo, which is the opposite of normal break in.

gus6464

BTW the now defunct Lehman Brothers is the reason SRAM was able to come out of nowhere and sponsor a ton of teams on the Pro tour. SRAM sold a stake to them for $200M which was used primarily for marketing and sponsorships. Pro teams are not using SRAM because it's better than the rest, they are using it because they are paying a lot more than everybody else for the teams to use them. I would be willing to bet that their R&D spending is nowhere near as close as their marketing. All that marketing expenditure seems to working though since many people are drinking the koolaid.

Have any of you seen the ads for their 2012 Groups? NOTHING has been changed from last year's models and they are still riding the "most used group in the tour with the most wins" train.

patentcad

Correct.

Brilliant marketing and product positioning. I really admire what Sram has done in a short time. You come out with groups that are lighter and cheaper and bike weenies will buy the stuff. Quick somebody send Shimano the memo.

But from an end user standpoing I prefer Shimano's approach, which 90% of the time involves superior engineering and product quality. That 7900 mechanical group cluster fark was an anomaly, and it was generally well received in the press nonetheless. Ultegra 6700 is brilliant. Di2 is brilliant. Their wheels (at least the ones I have) are as good as bike stuff gets. Weight? People in cycling are far too obsessed with weight. Once you get your bike down to 16 lbs you're close enough for rock n roll.

Whether you prefer Shimano, Sram or Campy, Sram's success is great news. Why? Competition pushes everybody, consumers generally benefit.

crhilton

I completely agree.

I ended up on SRAM because Shimano's hoods are too friggin' big and fat. I got sick of stretching my hands to get to the brake lever. When I rode Di2 it seemed better. I wonder if the 7900 stuff is easier to reach as well.

Oh well, I'm unfortunately happy on SRAM for now. But I'll have to keep my eye open for Ultegra Di2 at a decent price.

DropDeadFred

wooooooooooooooaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh....a mile to shift down the cog? I can hold my DA shifter down and it will shift through a few gears without having to "double tap" which is stupid...why have an extra step or function to get a result that takes a single push on the shimano stuff....ergonomics for Sram stuff is for baby fingered *******...grow some man hands and realize the DA stuff shifts a million times smoother than that SRAM garbage...people who hold SRAM up so high only do so because its cheap to afford their top of the line product vs. Shimano...you get what you pay for and SRAM is like the souped of Civic trying to race something like a high end mercedes

RT

Yes, because shifting is soooo hard My God, you guys make it sound like shifting is more difficult than peeling a bowling ball with a butter knife.

HTFU.