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carmageddon2011: bicyclists race jet airplane across Los Angeles

Old 07-16-11, 07:18 PM
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You would think they would pose like the organized TdF photo shoots. Props to the Wolfpack Hustle on winning the challenge.
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Originally Posted by FactVord
You would think they would pose like the organized TdF photo shoots. Props to the Wolfpack Hustle on winning the challenge.
There is a finish line photo of them looking more like pro racers. The photo I linked is the group as they are more commonly dressed.
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Originally Posted by banerjek
From another news article:

JetBlue called for a re-match.

"The cyclists rolled all over us this time," said Sebastian White, spokesman for the airline. "Out of fairness, we'd like to propose a best of three. How about LAX (in Los Angeles) to JFK (in New York) next time?"
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Writer of the Slate article said: "In the face of this fanciful idea (a traffic-busting flight!) it became possible to demonstrate that cycling, often taken as a non-serious or marginal or even annoying (to some drivers) form of transportation in the U.S., could seem eminently reasonable: Not only the cheapest form of transportation, not merely the one with the smallest carbon footprint, not only the one most beneficial to the health of its user, but the fastest."

Cheapest? Those guys on the Wolfpack Hustle A team were riding carbon wonderbikes. We all know it would have only been possible to average nearly 25 mph on such pricey bikes, right?





Actually, one of them was on a vintage steel.
A gracious and humorous admission of defeat by the Jet Blue spokesman. Pretty cool all the way around. Great PR for both the airline and Wolfpack Hustle. But cycling itself came out ahead as the real winner. Nice.
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They look more serious in this photo: https://laist.com/2011/07/16/bikes_wi..._flys_past.php

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Old 07-16-11, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by learnmedia
A gracious and humorous admission of defeat by the Jet Blue spokesman. Pretty cool all the way around. Great PR for both the airline and Wolfpack Hustle. But cycling itself came out ahead as the real winner. Nice.
I don't think it was very good publicity for JetBlue, publicizing that their 20 mile flight would take 3 hours in real life.

But it is a big win for bicycling in general (and public transit), as Tom Vanderbilt points out in the Slate article. Note that this is the same Tom Vanderbilt who wrote the well regarded book "Traffic" about America's car culture.
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Originally Posted by johnny99
But it is a big win for bicycling in general
Is it? How so, other than getting it in the news?
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Old 07-16-11, 08:12 PM
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Getting in the news is a win, isn't it?
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
Is it? How so, other than getting it in the news?
Did you read the article, as I suggested in the part of my sentence that you deleted?
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Originally Posted by rangerdavid
Getting in the news is a win, isn't it?
It beats the usual story (a cyclist getting run over).

I just don't imagine many people seeing this on TV thinking, "Hmm, I'm going to start riding a bike around town."

At least, not nearly as much as $4 gasoline does.
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Originally Posted by johnny99
Did you read the article, as I suggested in the part of my sentence that you deleted?
Reading is overrated. I'm going by my gut.
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Originally Posted by banerjek
Originally Posted by johnny99
I don't think it was very good publicity for JetBlue, publicizing that their 20 mile flight would take 3 hours in real life.

But it is a big win for bicycling in general (and public transit), as Tom Vanderbilt points out in the Slate article. Note that this is the same Tom Vanderbilt who wrote the well regarded book "Traffic" about America's car culture.
Hardly anyone would view jet travel from Burbank to Long Beach as efficient and, save for $4 flight promo, as being anywhere near economical. It's much quicker and cheaper to simply drive that distance. Moreover, you are aware that Jet Blue doesn't even offer such short trips as part of their regularly scheduled flights. I don't believe they ever saw it as more than PR. Hence they agreed to a challenge that, I believe, they must have known they couldn't win. As a matter of fact, even if Jet Blue had won the challenge by a mere 15-30 minutes, Wolfpack Hustle still would have proved their point–that when distances are short, bike travel can be an inexpensive and fairly quick alternative to other forms of transportation.
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I love riding my bike. I also love driving my car.

What I really love about this story is it's cool that it drew so much attention, and it had a happy ending. Usually bike stories aren't so positive.
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Originally Posted by banerjek
Originally Posted by KiddSisko
I love riding my bike. I also love driving my car.

What I really love about this story is it's cool that it drew so much attention, and it had a happy ending. Usually bike stories aren't so positive.
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Originally Posted by KiddSisko
Actually, one of them was on a vintage steel.
I looked and it doesn't look like that one even had cables on it-- did he do it fixed?
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I looked and it doesn't look like that one even had cables on it-- did he do it fixed?
That's quite possible.
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Originally Posted by johnny99
They look more serious in this photo: https://laist.com/2011/07/16/bikes_wi..._flys_past.php


2 of the guys race masters 35+(one of them is a 3 time state champ), another guy is a cat 3, maybe a 2 now. The other 2 guys, not sure, but I'm sure they are pretty fast, wolfpack is a fast group of guys.
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Old 07-17-11, 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by johnny99
I don't think it was very good publicity for JetBlue, publicizing that their 20 mile flight would take 3 hours in real life.

But it is a big win for bicycling in general (and public transit), as Tom Vanderbilt points out in the Slate article. Note that this is the same Tom Vanderbilt who wrote the well regarded book "Traffic" about America's car culture.
Of course it's good publicity. Nobody expects to travel 20 miles by jet. Their 400 mile flight would be 4 hours in real life.
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Originally Posted by KiddSisko
I also love driving my car.
You're part of the problem.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
You're part of the problem.
Pipe down back there.
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Originally Posted by mmmdonuts
Their 400 mile flight would be 4 hours in real life.
Might want to check your math.
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Here's some cool photos of the winning ride and finish.
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Originally Posted by KiddSisko
... Not only the cheapest form of transportation, not merely the one with the smallest carbon footprint, not only the one most beneficial to the health of its user, but the fastest."

Cheapest? Those guys on the Wolfpack Hustle A team were riding carbon wonderbikes.
Seriously? Even riding carbon wonderbikes, Zipp wheels, etc, you still think it is cheaper to own and operate a motor vehicle (even a cheap one) or use airplanes for frequent travel? Am I just missing sarcasm here?
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Originally Posted by KiddSisko
Might want to check your math.
I don't think that I'm way off. Using the same parameters as the race, a door to door trip, not flight time. What's your number?
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Originally Posted by mmmdonuts
Of course it's good publicity. Nobody expects to travel 20 miles by jet. Their 400 mile flight would be 4 hours in real life.
https://www.airport-la.com/lax/flight..._arrival=VX928

"Flying distance between Los Angeles, LAX and San Francisco, SFO is 339 miles. Estimated Flight Time 1 h 8 min."
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Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa was announcing at 10 am Sunday that the road work is nearly completed and portions of the roads should open up shortly, way before the deadline.

But in that announcement, he said that there were some police arrests as some "cyclists" were trying to ride on the freeway. I don't know who they were, but this is not good for the cycling community.
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