How thin (or not thin) is Cadel Evans?
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BMI is a blunt instrument. It does not take into account a person's frame size or proportion of lean body mass (ie muscle) versus fat.
However it's easy to calculate so the public health authorities like it.
It does have some limitations but it works reasonably well for most folks.
A better metric would be body fat percentage, but you need special equipment to measure it.
That said, a football linebacker who has all muscle and low fat with a high BMI might not be the healthiest specimen either.
Alas, like most inquiries in BF (and life), the conclusion is: IT DEPENDS!!
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Here's one for those who think that BMI is rubbish and doesn't apply to muscular individuals. The subject is Linford Christie, who at the time the picture was taken was the world 100 metres champion. He is 6ft 3ins tall and weighed 175lbs - a BMI of 22. I'd say he was pretty muscular.
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I am a so-called medical professional. With a BMI of 19 BTW.
BMI is a blunt instrument. It does not take into account a person's frame size or proportion of lean body mass (ie muscle) versus fat.
However it's easy to calculate so the public health authorities like it.
It does have some limitations but it works reasonably well for most folks.
A better metric would be body fat percentage, but you need special equipment to measure it.
That said, a football linebacker who has all muscle and low fat with a high BMI might not be the healthiest specimen either.
Alas, like most inquiries in BF (and life), the conclusion is: IT DEPENDS!!
BMI is a blunt instrument. It does not take into account a person's frame size or proportion of lean body mass (ie muscle) versus fat.
However it's easy to calculate so the public health authorities like it.
It does have some limitations but it works reasonably well for most folks.
A better metric would be body fat percentage, but you need special equipment to measure it.
That said, a football linebacker who has all muscle and low fat with a high BMI might not be the healthiest specimen either.
Alas, like most inquiries in BF (and life), the conclusion is: IT DEPENDS!!
It is a tool, but not the only tool. It does not define fitness in any way, but its relation to morbidity and mortality is not only real but freakishly real. The people that fall outside the real limitations of BMI due to unusually high musculature and such are by far the extremely far outlier and, therefore, not common. Most fat people just like to think they are "different" and the tool does not apply to them to justify them being simply fat, obese, overweight, or simple garden variety morbidly obese. Hey, I'm not just attacking anyone or being hateful as I am one of these fat people by BMI definition.
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Dude, just because someone has great muscle definition does not mean they can't stand to easily loose 10-15 Lb of fat. You would be amazed how much fat there is under the skin of well defined muscular people.
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Yes, some people are naturally lean...but I think we can all see that Christie is not only lean, but in superb physical condition through rigorous training. I seriously doubt that he has a bunch of fat hidden somewhere. The point is, BMI says he is overweight. The BMI perfect specimine would be about 5'10, 140lbs with no muscle tone. It doesn't matter what kind of actual physical condition he is in, just that he's not carrying a lot of weight for his height.
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In that picture there is no way he's under 200lbs at 6'3". He makes Carl Lewis look like a toothpick and they are both the same height.
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And to think people still wonder why so many cyclists have eating disorders.
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https://www.sports-reference.com/olym...hristie-1.html
In that picture there is no way he's under 200lbs at 6'3". He makes Carl Lewis look like a toothpick and they are both the same height.
In that picture there is no way he's under 200lbs at 6'3". He makes Carl Lewis look like a toothpick and they are both the same height.
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Here's one for those who think that BMI is rubbish and doesn't apply to muscular individuals. The subject is Linford Christie, who at the time the picture was taken was the world 100 metres champion. He is 6ft 3ins tall and weighed 175lbs - a BMI of 22. I'd say he was pretty muscular.
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Again, you're mistaken. I followed track and field closely at the time and was in despair that at roughly Christie's height, and in the shape of my life, at 190lbs I was 15 lbs heavier than him and still looked like a stringbean by comparison. He had a twenty eight inch waist, which may have something to do with it.
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Here's one for those who think that BMI is rubbish and doesn't apply to muscular individuals. The subject is Linford Christie, who at the time the picture was taken was the world 100 metres champion. He is 6ft 3ins tall and weighed 175lbs - a BMI of 22. I'd say he was pretty muscular.
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Cant you see the fat bulging behind his head?
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Would you guys quit whining about the BMI? To get so hung up about a made-up number is ridiculous and shows a dangerous amount of insecurity.
Do you really think this guy is concerned with his BMI number?
Do you really think this guy is concerned with his BMI number?
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Most people who complain about the weaknesses of the BMI are not anywhere close to being one of the outliers for whom it's invalid. Are you 5% body fat with bulging muscles? Didn't think so...
If it says you're overweight and your belly has flab on it, lose weight or get over it.
If it says you're overweight and your belly has flab on it, lose weight or get over it.
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It's well known that BMI does NOT apply to muscular body types, as it doesn't distinguish between fat & muscle. Doesn't take a genius to figure this out.
I still think Schleck looks anorexic. He might have a 'low-normal' BMI because his leg muscles are super dense, but discounting that, I'll bet the rest of him would work out to an average of a dangerously low BMI - it just happens to average out more normally because of his quads. Just look at photos of him shirtless - he's way lighter than just 'slightly underweight' for the upper body.
I still think Schleck looks anorexic. He might have a 'low-normal' BMI because his leg muscles are super dense, but discounting that, I'll bet the rest of him would work out to an average of a dangerously low BMI - it just happens to average out more normally because of his quads. Just look at photos of him shirtless - he's way lighter than just 'slightly underweight' for the upper body.
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All those super skinny pro road racers fall in to the "normal" BMI category. I guess everyone's goal should be this:
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It's well known that BMI does NOT apply to muscular body types, as it doesn't distinguish between fat & muscle. Doesn't take a genius to figure this out.
I still think Schleck looks anorexic. He might have a 'low-normal' BMI because his leg muscles are super dense, but discounting that, I'll bet the rest of him would work out to an average of a dangerously low BMI - it just happens to average out more normally because of his quads. Just look at photos of him shirtless - he's way lighter than just 'slightly underweight' for the upper body.
I still think Schleck looks anorexic. He might have a 'low-normal' BMI because his leg muscles are super dense, but discounting that, I'll bet the rest of him would work out to an average of a dangerously low BMI - it just happens to average out more normally because of his quads. Just look at photos of him shirtless - he's way lighter than just 'slightly underweight' for the upper body.
He doesn't look anorexic at all.
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You only say he looks anorexic because in this day and age, that thin build looks positively underweight, but he is just lean. Tall and lean. He would eat extremely healthy, he is obviously very fit, and has a resting heart rate of probably 45.
He doesn't look anorexic at all.
He doesn't look anorexic at all.
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Joke? It depends what you compare it to. It is not supposed to account for everything and every single body type. It accounts for the majority based on the large numbers of people used to come up with it. 99% of the time you hear someone bashing the BMI is either the uneducated in how it was formulated and what it represents or the fat/overweight person feeling offended because they perceived themselves as something they are not. One always hear crap like: they are big bone or they have more muscle, etc. However, despite bone and more developed muscles weighting more, it is never to the over rated proportions that people give it. I remember a great quote from one of my anatomy professors in medical school: "I've been doing cadaver dissection for over 25 years and I am yet to see the first "big bone" cadaver".
Well, if your wrist is the size of a normal thigh maybe his wrist size is not the issue! Also, based on what you say, your BMI is 33, which places you in the overweight category. Either your doctor has no concept of what "normal" is/should be" or he is fat as well and looks at you with his "fat eyes". Likely a combination of both. He is human too, so he likely has his biases. It does not take away from reality. Despite that, I would be looking for health advice from someone else a bit more in tune with reality and not popular perception.
Not bashing on you personally, but using what you say above.
Well, if your wrist is the size of a normal thigh maybe his wrist size is not the issue! Also, based on what you say, your BMI is 33, which places you in the overweight category. Either your doctor has no concept of what "normal" is/should be" or he is fat as well and looks at you with his "fat eyes". Likely a combination of both. He is human too, so he likely has his biases. It does not take away from reality. Despite that, I would be looking for health advice from someone else a bit more in tune with reality and not popular perception.
Not bashing on you personally, but using what you say above.
While I have many problems, fat wrists are not on the list.
Thanks for the info though, my BMI is indeed high.