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The Ultimate Fred Tour de France Thread

Old 07-27-11, 02:41 AM
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The Ultimate Fred Tour de France Thread

Why? Because it tells you the average speed of every TdF winner for the past century, that's why.

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Old 07-27-11, 04:22 AM
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Hmmm, in the early 1900's my speed would have been competetive. Well, for one stage anyway. One flat stage. No alp de this or col de that. Just a flat century, yeah, I coulda hung with those guys......... maybe.
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Old 07-27-11, 04:28 AM
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Interesting that this was described as a very hard TdF course and people commented that the greater level of competitiveness was an indication of a cleaner peloton but the fact is Cadel wasn't significantly slower than the last 12 years even with the tough course late and all the crashing early.
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Obviously getting more Fred friendly.

1906 83% dropped out.
2011 84% finished.
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It does seem to show:

"Both Greg LeMond and Laurent Fignon have dated the appearance of EPO to the early 1990s, with Lemond pointing to 1991 as the year where the peloton’s speed started to noticeably increase, but 1994 was something else."

https://www.scribd.com/doc/34164141/D...Part-3-Pantani
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Your sinister implication that EPO has actually sullied Tour de France results almost makes me think you don't believe in the Purity of Pro Cycling.
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Originally Posted by cato_mcfly View Post
It does seem to show:

"Both Greg LeMond and Laurent Fignon have dated the appearance of EPO to the early 1990s, with Lemond pointing to 1991 as the year where the peloton’s speed started to noticeably increase, but 1994 was something else."

https://www.scribd.com/doc/34164141/D...Part-3-Pantani
Honestly to me it looks more like 1988 where the jump happened...and Lemond won twice after that.
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It was much more hardcore back in the day.

Originally Posted by znomit View Post
Obviously getting more Fred friendly.

1906 83% dropped out.
2011 84% finished.
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Old 07-27-11, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper View Post
Honestly to me it looks more like 1988 where the jump happened...and Lemond won twice after that.
Exactly - classic case of projection. He gained at least 1.0mph over his first win. Lemond is such a doper.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol View Post
It was much more hardcore back in the day.
So true. How about Eugene Christophe who snapped his fork on the way down the Tourmalet while holding second place in the race. He hiked his bike nine miles to the closest town and proceeded to fix his own fork in a black smith shop. To literally add insult to injury he was slapped with a time penalty for outside assistance when a shop worker helped him by manning the bellows on the forge. For all practical purposes he was eliminated and should have abandoned, but he continued riding and worked his way back to seventh place. It's an amazing story. Some of the original riders of Le Tour truly knew how to HTFU. I don't think enough people pay attention to the real historical significance of the Tour.

After reading about that story, I always chuckle to myself when I see pros throwng a fit over a 20 second bike change or a 12 second wheel change.
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Originally Posted by alpha_bravo View Post
Some of the original riders of Le Tour truly knew how to HTFU.
Heck, just look at the roads they were riding on.

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1960 Gastone Nencini - Average speed 23.3mph
1971 Eddie Mercks - Average speed 23.8mph
2011 Cadel Evans - Average speed 24.9mph

It's not about the equipment.
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either bikes got really awesome in the mid 80's or the drugs got really good.....
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The biggest technological advance that increased bicycle racing speeds was PAVED ROADS.

Just sayin.
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It would have been interesting seeing the 1919 Tour. It was the first one after a five-year hiatus (WWI). Three former champions and who knows how many competitors were killed in the war. The roads were in very poor shape (even by their standards).

Only ten competitors finished.
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I'm sure the post-war TdF participants didn't find the sport particularly dangerous, c. 1946-1955. After all, nobody was shooting at them.
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
Your sinister implication that EPO has actually sullied Tour de France results almost makes me think you don't believe in the Purity of Pro Cycling.
I LOL'd!
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Old 07-27-11, 01:57 PM
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Damn, I would have been competitive back in the early 50s.
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Damn, I would have been a Fred with streamers on his handlebars back in the early 50s.
Fixed for BF Accuracy.
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
The biggest technological advance that increased bicycle racing speeds was PAVED ROADS.

Just sayin.
Stop making cogent points. This is, as you well know, BF.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol View Post
Heck, just look at the roads they were riding on.

And the bikes were fixed gears!
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Wait. No Zipps? The next thing you'll tell me is they had no Di2.
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Originally Posted by pgjackson View Post
1960 Gastone Nencini - Average speed 23.3mph
1971 Eddie Mercks - Average speed 23.8mph
2011 Cadel Evans - Average speed 24.9mph

It's not about the equipment.
Eddy Merckx.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol View Post
Heck, just look at the roads they were riding on.

Is that Grandpa Schleck stopping to complain about his loose chain?
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Originally Posted by DropDeadFred View Post
either bikes got really awesome in the mid 80's or the drugs got really good.....
Or the course was different...
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