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If your rear brakes aren't working to slow you down, get new brakes. The Ultegras on the rear of both my road bikes are excellent. But the principle still is that the front brake provides most of your braking force, and is the one you should squeeze most.
What hasn't been discussed is wet-weather/slippery road braking, and that requires judicious squeezing of both levers to ensure the front doesn't lock, skid and drop you. An efficient rear brake will help a lot in these sorts of conditions, and its preferably to have that lock up and to correct the fishtail, than have the front lock up. When I ran bike riding classes, I used to get students to ride at moderate speed down grass banks and apply their brakes in three different ways -- front only, rear only and front+rear. It's worth doing on your own. But remember to modulate or feather the squeeze on the levers to avoid lock-up, and definitely keep arms straight; even better, move your weight back over the rear wheel by getting your butt off the seat and hanging over the back of it. One of my favourite experiences on a bicycle was descending a hill called the Sideling in Tasmania on a randonnee. coming into switchback corners and getting the rear wheel off the ground because of the front braking effort. Needless to say, the road was bone dry. |
Originally Posted by noremac
(Post 13008580)
You should be terrified:
Just kidding. Keep your weight back. First thing I saw were the aero bars. |
It is the combination of trying to unclip the pedals and apply front brake that scares me.
Also, since I ride on the hoods often, how does that impact applying the front brake? |
Originally Posted by Nassa
(Post 13008706)
It is the combination of trying to unclip the pedals and apply front brake that scares me.
Also, since I ride on the hoods often, how does that impact applying the front brake? |
Originally Posted by Nassa
(Post 13008706)
It is the combination of trying to unclip the pedals and apply front brake that scares me.
Also, since I ride on the hoods often, how does that impact applying the front brake? The amount of force you can apply to the lever while on the hoods depends on the size of your hands/length of your fingers, and their strength, and how the hoods are placed on your handlebars... that is, if you ride on the hoods almost exclusively, the hoods should be up further on the bars than if you ride on the drops a lot. It has to do with access with your fingers and how much force they can apply. |
Originally Posted by urbanknight
(Post 13008034)
The theory behind this is that when braking, your weight shifts to the front and unloads the rear wheel, so the rear wheel isn't able to do much braking at all if the front is applied anyway. So even when you think you're using both brakes equally, you're really only stopping because of the front brake. Go down a hill and use only the rear brake for a moment and you will see how little it does compared with the front.
That being said, I still brake with both hands most of the time just out of habit. It is true, though, that when you panic and squeeze the life out of both levers, your rear tire skids and you start moving sideways. edit: Mountain biking is a different animal, though, so don't apply these theories there. |
By the time you need to unclip, you'll be under 3mph, so not much can go wrong, other than falling to the side.
One thing you must never never ever do, is grab both brakes hard at the same time. Your rear wheel swings around, and you end up traveling sideways fishtailing like mad. That was a fun day. |
Originally Posted by Nassa
(Post 13007885)
it says I should use my front brake 95% of the time.
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Originally Posted by revchuck
(Post 13008728)
If you haven't yet fallen over at a dead stop due to not having unclipped, don't worry, you will. :D It happens to all of us.
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Originally Posted by Nerull
(Post 13008231)
And look closely at the video. It wasn't the stop that caused the bike to flip. The rear tire stays firmly planted on the ground until her stomach hits the handlebars.
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Originally Posted by Nassa
(Post 13008706)
It is the combination of trying to unclip the pedals and apply front brake that scares me.
Originally Posted by Nassa
(Post 13008706)
Also, since I ride on the hoods often, how does that impact applying the front brake?
Braking (at high speeds and on declines) is better done with your hands on the drops with your stronger index/middle fingers on the ends of the brake levers. This also puts your weight lower and allows you to move your weight back (off of the seat) too. |
Originally Posted by revchuck
(Post 13008640)
It's also a good illustration about why you shouldn't use aero bars in a paceline.
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Originally Posted by noremac
(Post 13008580)
You should be terrified:
Just kidding. Keep your weight back. Also note that the guy's chain is adjusted with too much slack. The chain didn't contribute to the crash, but does support the notion that this bike wasn't maintained in proper working condition. I'm guessing this bike was going down eventually and we just happened to see it when it did. I've been cycling for nearly 40 years and have never gone over the handlebars. I use my front brake a lot. I think the OP's fears are unfounded. Crashes by other means are much more common. |
Originally Posted by Tundra_Man
(Post 13008971)
I've been cycling for nearly 40 years and have never gone over the handlebars. I use my front brake a lot. I think the OP's fears are unfounded. Crashes by other means are much more common.
It's important to practice brake modulation. Carefully squeezing, as opposed to panicking and grabbing the levers hard. That is, until bikes come with electric anti-lock brakes! |
Originally Posted by revchuck It's also a good illustration about why you shouldn't use aero bars in a paceline. Or not weight the seat when you brake. He must have hit something really solid to stop his front wheel like that. Had his front wheel locked up on gravel, his front end would've just washed out. How do I know this? Trust me, I know this. ;) |
I've locked up the rear twice. Once while stopping on a crosswalk in a short stop and almost hit the guy in front of me. And the once going down a nice hill with a hard right I was going in too hot and grabbed the brakes and as the road an imperfection the rear caught a little air/unsettled and I felt it slide out from underneath me, luckily I was already letting go of the brake and it just scared the **** out of me (the second instance was when I switched the crap textros to Ultegra on the maiden voyage of usuable brakes). I almost always grab the fronts when stopping and even when checking the speed in a pace line.
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Having never really experienced a rear lock on a bicycle, is it cool to just release the brake or do you just have to ride it out? I know from the motorcycle world, if you ass end gets too far out at speed with a locked rear, releasing generally results in the wonderfully painful experience known as a high-side. I'm curious if the light weight of a bicycle changes the situation there since there's so much less inertia...
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re: video
descending too close and putting your front wheel into someone's rear skewer isn't a good idea. spokes break, wheel wobbles and a crash ensues. all in all, a well deserved result. |
Originally Posted by AndyK
(Post 13009036)
+1
It's important to practice brake modulation. Carefully squeezing, as opposed to panicking and grabbing the levers hard. That is, until bikes come with electric anti-lock brakes! I think the OP just needs to ride enough at higher speeds to gain confidence in braking and controlling the bike. The more you ride, the more natural it becomes. I've found that riding downhill is kind of similar to downhill skiing: it's partly about learning proper technique, but it's also about gaining confidence in the proper technique actually keeping you under control. I can definitely see how releasing the brakes momentarily while trying to stop might take a bit of a leap of faith at first. |
Originally Posted by mnemia
(Post 13009526)
I think the OP just needs to ride enough at higher speeds to gain confidence in braking and controlling the bike. The more you ride, the more natural it becomes.
More time in the saddle. :) Next time I decide to start a thread I must remind myself "More time in the saddle." Thanks all for the advice, I will look over some youtube videos and practice. |
After reading this thread last night I practiced this morning. I always use both breaks but I tried the front only, bracing and keeping my weight back. Works pretty good. Thanks.. always learning.
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Originally Posted by pdedes
(Post 13009450)
re: video
descending too close and putting your front wheel into someone's rear skewer isn't a good idea. spokes break, wheel wobbles and a crash ensues. all in all, a well deserved result. |
Originally Posted by BikeMech
(Post 13009810)
+1 Perfect example of why you shouldn't halfwheel someone.
He almost certainly wouldn't have gone off the road if he hadn't been half on/half off the aerobars. And even then if he hadn't jammed on the front brake while he was standing up with his weight over the front wheel he wouldn't have endo'd. All in all, about as many "Don't do THIS!" dumbass moves crammed into about 5 seconds as is humanly possible. |
Originally Posted by AEO
(Post 13008522)
yeah, it's possible.
but it's damn hard or impossible to pull off if the road surface is clean. the brakes on a bicycle are appalling in comparison to motorcycles. that and you don't want to put the weight low, you want it to go as far back as possible. I've only ever did a stoppie on a bike while going down hill. I've never managed to pull it off on flat ground. How are you doing it? :-/ How? Squeeze the front brake progressively and continually, just like on a motorcycle. :shrug: KeS |
To me it is getting to sound complicated... get in a car park and practice braking with the front brake and you will soon learn that you can lean on it quite hard and it does as it's intended... to stop you. All the back brake does is helps so stabilise the situation when your riding with a bit of speed. Rarely would I use the back brake, slippery, descents and emergencies spring to mind. Don't watch videos.. just get on the bike!!!
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