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Old 07-31-11, 10:10 PM
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Whats the word on BD

So im still looking for my first road bike and i was wondering if buying from BD(bikes direct) is more bang for the buck.I know scattante is a reputable brand but on the Motobecane's it has tiagra derailleurs on front and back.As far as other parts such as hubs,rims,or wheels I know almost nothing about brands.Is it better to get the motobecane over the scattante?If i ordered the motobecane how would it come?I know i have to do some assembly but im not really bike savvy but i do know more then the average person just dont ask me to true a wheel or adjust a derrailleur .

2011 Scattante R-330 Road Bike
http://www.performancebike.com/bikes..._20000__400306


Motobecane Grand Record
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...d_record_x.htm



What about the Motobecane Mirage pro?
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...rage_pro_x.htm

Is it worth the 50 dollars more plus tax(live in austin tx sadly we get charged tax even from ordering from BD) for the Grand record just for the other Tiagra derailleur instead of sora?
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If you're "not really bike savvy" then I'd say that you're probably better off going the Performance (or other LBS) route. While putting together a bike shipped from BD isn't difficult, you might find dialing in the final adjustments and fit beyond your interest or capabilities. OTOH, a little time on the Park Tools and Sheldon Brown website and you'd probably be able to make the adjustments you need.

My only other comment is regarding the BD bikes...if you decide to go that way...looking over the road bikes on the "Tiagra" row, only the Dawes appears to have Tiagra shifters. I would choose that bike over the others (it's the same price as the Motobecanes) just for the shifters (now the Sora lovers are gonna hate all over me).
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First road bike = LBS not BD. You must ride a few bike and choose the one that feels best. At that price range all bike will be good solid bikes. Yes, you can get better deal at BD, but if you don't guess the size correctly then you will be suffering instead of enjoying your bike.
Don't limit yourself to one brand, test ride all kinds of bike before you buy. Why? Because buying a bike should be fun! Good luck!
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If you're "not really bike savvy" then I'd say that you're probably better off going the Performance (or other LBS) route. While putting together a bike shipped from BD isn't difficult, you might find dialing in the final adjustments and fit beyond your interest or capabilities. OTOH, a little time on the Park Tools and Sheldon Brown website and you'd probably be able to make the adjustments you need.

My only other comment is regarding the BD bikes...if you decide to go that way...looking over the road bikes on the "Tiagra" row, only the Dawes appears to have Tiagra shifters. I would choose that bike over the others (it's the same price as the Motobecanes) just for the shifters (now the Sora lovers are gonna hate all over me).

yeah what i been reading up is that the tiagra levers dont have the button on the side that the sora shifter has.How do you shift up.....down.......idk i mean after pushing the right lever left how do you go back the opposite direction?Would u choose the dawes just because the shifter?I mean it's an 18 speed bike and from what i was told have a 2 chainring is "more modern"since you cant get chain crossing and rubbing that you do on a tripple chainring.I also wanted to get the bike from BD due to the fact that it has tiagra componants and it would be easier later on if i wanted to do some upgrading.What assemly's required when you order from BD?
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Originally Posted by matroskin View Post
First road bike = LBS not BD. You must ride a few bike and choose the one that feels best. At that price range all bike will be good solid bikes. Yes, you can get better deal at BD, but if you don't guess the size correctly then you will be suffering instead of enjoying your bike.
Don't limit yourself to one brand, test ride all kinds of bike before you buy. Why? Because buying a bike should be fun! Good luck!
well i found 50cm(im a short asian ) to be a good fit for me and yes I know all frames have their own different feel.
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I'm with dstrong on the Dawes. The shifters will be a much more meaningful upgrade than the derailleurs. Or if you really want to save money and don't care about the shifters than go with an all Sora bike like this:

http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product...0_10000_202613

as you will probably not notice any difference in derailleurs. Also, the Dawes comes with a compact double rather than a triple. Most people find that a plus, although not everyone.

As for BD vs Performance, only you can really answer that. With BD you may need to learn how to adjust derailleurs, but that's something most road cyclists end up learning to do themselves anyway.
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yeah what i been reading up is that the tiagra levers dont have the button on the side that the sora shifter has.How do you shift up.....down.......idk i mean after pushing the right lever left how do you go back the opposite direction?Would u choose the dawes just because the shifter?I mean it's an 18 speed bike and from what i was told have a 2 chainring is "more modern"since you cant get chain crossing and rubbing that you do on a tripple chainring.I also wanted to get the bike from BD due to the fact that it has tiagra componants and it would be easier later on if i wanted to do some upgrading.What assemly's required when you order from BD?
The shifters and the crankset will be the big money items to upgrade. If you can get what you want on the bike now then do so.

Tiagra and all shimano lines above it use the small paddle to shift one way and both the paddle and the brake lever at the same time to shift the other.
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Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
I'm with dstrong on the Dawes. The shifters will be a much more meaningful upgrade than the derailleurs. Or if you really want to save money and don't care about the shifters than go with an all Sora bike like this:

http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product...0_10000_202613

as you will probably not notice any difference in derailleurs. Also, the Dawes comes with a compact double rather than a triple. Most people find that a plus, although not everyone.

As for BD vs Performance, only you can really answer that. With BD you may need to learn how to adjust derailleurs, but that's something most road cyclists end up learning to do themselves anyway.
Well i want to save money but i want to get whats worth it for as long as i cycle.Im really want to get a road bike and to ride to atleast be able to bike 20 miles in an hour.Well i currently ride an 18 speed mountain bike that feels like its filled with cement with a triple chainring so im assuming that i wouldn't be any harder to ride.Lets think about the future even though i dont have a road bike yet.If i wanted to upgrade componants in the future and i got the dawes would it be difficult?From what i know sora is getting replaced by other shimano components and will have compatibility issues if i wanted to put other shimano components on it.Would the extra 9 gears effect me greatly or be worth it to sacrifice them for a tiagra shifter?I also dont know what a compact is.
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First road bike = LBS not BD.
+9000

Yes it might cost more, but the help the shop will give you is priceless.
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Yes it might cost more, but the help the shop will give you is priceless.
But is really spending more at performance and the help that they give me really worth not being able to get tiagra components?I understand it's a lost different than actually being then in person and buying something online.What sorta help would they provide other than sizing me?
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Well i want to save money but i want to get whats worth it for as long as i cycle.Im really want to get a road bike and to ride to atleast be able to bike 20 miles in an hour.Well i currently ride an 18 speed mountain bike that feels like its filled with cement with a triple chainring so im assuming that i wouldn't be any harder to ride.Lets think about the future even though i dont have a road bike yet.If i wanted to upgrade componants in the future and i got the dawes would it be difficult?From what i know sora is getting replaced by other shimano components and will have compatibility issues if i wanted to put other shimano components on it.Would the extra 9 gears effect me greatly or be worth it to sacrifice them for a tiagra shifter?I also dont know what a compact is.
What is important when upgrading is the number of speeds the component was made for, but there is still some overlap. Sora and Tiagra are interchangeable because they are 9 speed. You could even mix in older 9 speed 105, ultegra and Dura Ace. But if you wanted to go to 10 speed you would need a new cassette, chain and shifters.

A compact is a double crank that has a larger spread in the front chainring to try to approximate the range of gearing offered by a triple set up. Standard doubles usually have a 39 and a 53 tooth ring in front. Compact have a 34 or 36 with a 50. Road triples usually have a 30/40/50 combination. When you ride your mtb on the road do you use the small ring at all? If not, then you probably won't want/need a triple on your road bike.
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But is really spending more at performance and the help that they give me really worth not being able to get tiagra components?I understand it's a lost different than actually being then in person and buying something online.What sorta help would they provide other than sizing me?
They will take care of tuning and minor adjustments as you get going. When you don't have experience it can be invaluable to have someone stop your gears from chattering or swap your stem out to get your back to stop aching.
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This may be a stupid question, but do you live by one of the Performance shops?
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This may be a stupid question, but do you live by one of the Performance shops?
Great question.
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What is important when upgrading is the number of speeds the component was made for, but there is still some overlap. Sora and Tiagra are interchangeable because they are 9 speed. You could even mix in older 9 speed 105, ultegra and Dura Ace. But if you wanted to go to 10 speed you would need a new cassette, chain and shifters.

A compact is a double crank that has a larger spread in the front chainring to try to approximate the range of gearing offered by a triple set up. Standard doubles usually have a 39 and a 53 tooth ring in front. Compact have a 34 or 36 with a 50. Road triples usually have a 30/40/50 combination. When you ride your mtb on the road do you use the small ring at all? If not, then you probably won't want/need a triple on your road bike.
I only use the smallest ring for when im dog tired trying to climb a hill.Honestly i dont know why i'd need an upgrade because they say newbies wont really notice the difference in high end or low end components and as of now i dont have any plans other then to get stronger and eventually see what happens later on. You've brought anther question in my mind now.Compact double or a triple.Still you would suggust going to my LBS and get that scattante over the Dawes or Grand Record just cuz they could help me with adjustments?I could always pay them for a tune up right?I meet a guy a my LBS that was nice and helped me figure some things out on my MTB.Or are you saying to go to my LBS cuz i wouldnt have to assemble my bike?
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This may be a stupid question, but do you live by one of the Performance shops?
yes i do,not a far bike either 30 mins or so
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well i found 50cm(im a short asian ) to be a good fit for me and yes I know all frames have their own different feel.
A 50cm in what brand and model? I fit a 54 Specialized Allez, but a 50 Tsunami (stock geometry), a 55 Bianchi Veloce, and a 51 Orbea Mitis.
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A 50cm in what brand and model? I fit a 54 Specialized Allez, but a 50 Tsunami (stock geometry), a 55 Bianchi Veloce, and a 51 Orbea Mitis.
a 50cm in a trek 1000
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But is really spending more at performance and the help that they give me really worth not being able to get tiagra components?I understand it's a lost different than actually being then in person and buying something online.What sorta help would they provide other than sizing me?
Yes it is. Most bike shops give you free tune ups for one whole year. My shop has always helped me out when ever I needed help or something was wrong with my bike. And to tell you the truth a rookie rider like your self will not feel the difference between a Tiagra and Sora rear derailler if both are tuned properly(which the shop will do for free). The shifters do make a difference, but some people like the set up of the Sora shifters.
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a 50cm in a trek 1000
So have you compared the geometries of the Scattante and Motobecanes to make sure they will fit the same way?
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So have you compared the geometries of the Scattante and Motobecanes to make sure they will fit the same way?
No i haven't but i have no idea where i could try one out locally
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Yes it is. Most bike shops give you free tune ups for one whole year. My shop has always helped me out when ever I needed help or something was wrong with my bike. And to tell you the truth a rookie rider like your self will not feel the difference between a Tiagra and Sora rear derailler if both are tuned properly(which the shop will do for free). The shifters do make a difference, but some people like the set up of the Sora shifters.
Okay yeah free tune up but thats something eventually i should learn myself am i right?Plus i can always befriend a cyclist that could help with that or just pay for that service.Yes i know that rookies probability wont notice it but would it benefit me in the long run to have it?I believe that have become a thread about should i go local or online haha.Once i figure out if i should go local or online then i gotta figure out if i need a compact double or a triple.
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Well let me get this sorted out.We agree that i should get to the Grand Record or Dawes(depending if i need a compact or not) over the scattante and the issue now is i should go to my LBS store just to have that friendship and free tune ups instead of ordering online,assembling,and stressing over trying to tune up my bike as a rookie?
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I sold my bike last year, it was a beautiful K2 mod 5.0 with full dura ace. I regret it everyday, but times were tough and I was a married college guy with only part time jobs. To get back to riding after I graduated I purchased a vent noir online, only 699, has tiagra and 105, it does the job. weighs 21 pounds with bottle cages, computer, keo classic pedals, and my flat repair kit. It is nowhere near the caliber of bike I once had, but I didn't expect anything less. I am only averaging 1 mph slower than I did back then, and i have since moved to a more hilly area, so performance really isn't about the bike. This will be my rain/beater/commuter once I get my specialized this winter. I'm a bargain shopper and always find sweet deals in the winter!!!!! I went to the bike shop and realized I wouldn't get anything with 700 dollars, maybe the specialized allez steel with downtube shifters!!!!! (which i test rode and didn't find it as bad as I thought it would be) So if you know what size to get, have half a brain and can follow videos on youtube then BD is a no brainer. I mean c'mon, it's a freaking bicycle, not a motocycle, not that hard to understand. I have put 2000 miles on the vent noir over the last two months and it hasn't self imploded..............yet! hahaha
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