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Little guys disadvantage?

Old 08-02-11, 08:04 PM
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Pro's are a bad example for size because their size is specific to their main area of expertise. Big guys sprint, little guys climb and a team will utilize them as needed. If me and the big guys were in a multi day stage race then there wouldnt be an issue at all. Winning wouldnt be the focus then, just hanging in as close as I can on the flats and then moving up on the hills. God I wish we had stage races around here. All we have are crits and tt's. Neither which play to my strengths as a rider.
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Old 08-02-11, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ARThriller View Post
Pro's are a bad example for size because their size is specific to their main area of expertise. Big guys sprint, little guys climb and a team will utilize them as needed. If me and the big guys were in a multi day stage race then there wouldnt be an issue at all. Winning wouldnt be the focus then, just hanging in as close as I can on the flats and then moving up on the hills. God I wish we had stage races around here. All we have are crits and tt's. Neither which play to my strengths as a rider.
Actually i know alot of smaller guys who are great time trialist, because they're so small. Their cda is so small that it takes them very little power to go fast.
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Old 08-02-11, 09:16 PM
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Strength IS related to size.

140 pounds of muscle produces x amount of energy. 180 pounds of muscle produces x+20 amount of energy. There is nothing you can do about it.

That's why Boxers fight in classes.
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Old 08-02-11, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by trek2.3bike View Post
Strength IS related to size.

140 pounds of muscle produces x amount of energy. 180 pounds of muscle produces x+20 amount of energy. There is nothing you can do about it.

That's why Boxers fight in classes.
let me direct you to the 33. nate needed 215 (actually it was only 205) watts to go over 24 mph. https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-K-watts/page8

this is his weight and cda 131 lbs, about .201 @ 0 yaw

.201 is basically as aero as you can possibly get.

im not disagreeing i'm just telling the op that he shouldn't complain so much about being too small to be strong.

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Old 08-02-11, 09:32 PM
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Cav is listed at 150

better yet . . .Gilbert, also listed at 150. he's doing alright this season.
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Old 08-02-11, 09:34 PM
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Fausto Coppi was a huge guy and he broke the world hour record (sarcasm). He was almost an anorexic midget. :O

In cycling, I believe weight has nothing to do with speed, unless you're talking short velodrome olympic races.
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Old 08-02-11, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ARThriller View Post
Pro's are a bad example for size because their size is specific to their main area of expertise. Big guys sprint, little guys climb and a team will utilize them as needed. If me and the big guys were in a multi day stage race then there wouldnt be an issue at all. Winning wouldnt be the focus then, just hanging in as close as I can on the flats and then moving up on the hills. God I wish we had stage races around here. All we have are crits and tt's. Neither which play to my strengths as a rider.
Just because you want all this to be true doesn't make it so.

"Big guys sprint"? Did you happen to notice who won the green jersey in the Tour this year?

"little guys climb"? See: Thor Hushovd

All things are possible...
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Originally Posted by klutch.xls View Post
Cav is listed at 150

better yet . . .Gilbert, also listed at 150. he's doing alright this season.
The reason Cav can dominate monsters like Greipel is that Cav can hold his top speed (75kph) for 10 secs (or ~230 metres) and a big guy just can't, especially not after having ridden 200k's and a few hills here and there.

As someone said before here, Cav might suck butt on hills but he would still obliterate any 41 rider.
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Old 08-02-11, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by DScott View Post
Just because you want all this to be true doesn't make it so.

"Big guys sprint"? Did you happen to notice who won the green jersey in the Tour this year?

"little guys climb"? See: Thor Hushovd

All things are possible...
Thor? Dude, WHO WON THE TOUR?

Cadel ain't skinny.
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I'm 128lbs and i don't really feel at a disadvantage. I can spin a high cadence and hold a pretty decent flatground speed. When the big guys start hammering the pace,simply draft. You should be able to easily hang on.
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Originally Posted by kabex View Post
Thor? Dude, WHO WON THE TOUR?

Cadel ain't skinny.
You're right, but Thor's a lot bigger, and made a better example.
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Old 08-02-11, 11:12 PM
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I'm not a big guy, but I'm short, and only a bit stocky, with larger legs, and weigh in at 150, so definitely not heavyweight.

I can sprint / hammer with heavy guys no problem. In fact, I'm pretty shocked when on flats, any heavy guy sticks around for more than a few miles in the fast grouprides around here, even on the flats. I haven't been particularly impressed with the cycling speed of guys over 220 lbs, no offense to big guys. For sure, I'm not noticing them killing everyone on the flats.

If you want to talk killing people on flats, tandems and even recumbents - I've nearly died trying to hold the back of those things, and they still can spit me out the back. (The last tandem I drafted went 26+mph on all the flats, and pulled off the front of a pretty fast paceline. It unfortunately was much, much slower on the climbs.)
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Old 08-03-11, 05:56 AM
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I read somewhere that says: All things being equal, which they never are, as height/size increases the body suface area increases by square factor but the power output is up by cube factor. So on the flat, the outpower/surface area ( wind resistance) will be higher for the bigger guy meaning he will be faster. Like others have said you can always wheelsucking (can I use "wheelsucking" as a verb?).
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Old 08-03-11, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by trek2.3bike View Post
Strength IS related to size.

140 pounds of muscle produces x amount of energy. 180 pounds of muscle produces x+20 amount of energy. There is nothing you can do about it.

That's why Boxers fight in classes.
Going fast on a bike is really more about moving oxygen than about muscle size, most of the time at least... Of course, big guys have bigger hearts, bigger lungs, etc...
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Old 08-03-11, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by kabex View Post
Thor? Dude, WHO WON THE TOUR?

Cadel ain't skinny.
Cadel is tiny. I don't know what you've been smoking but just because he doesn't have the same tiny frame someone like Bertie has doesn't mean he's not skinny.
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Don't be hating the big guys! As many people have already explained, little guys strength is hills, big guys the flats. On hills power to weight factors in more and frontal area / wind resistance less. On flats it's the opposite. Ride smart, take advantage of your strengths, compensate for your weaknesses. Find some rides/races with more hills if it bothers you that much. I'm a chunky little guy - 5foot 6, 165 lbs, bmi 26.6. The extra weight makes the hills harder, but trying to keep my weight down is even harder. I hold my own on group rides - hills, flats, or sprints. For some reason, I find beating skinny little guys up hills the most satisfying (of course, the longer the climb, the harder it is to do). A great day for me is being king of the mountain, winning the final sprint, and taking extra long pulls at the front of the paceline.
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get lighter wheels so you can accelerate quickly and get into their slip stream. I have pair carbon tubular wheels that weigh 1151 grams for the pair. pretty much anytime I want, I can add 5 mph to my speed for a short time. also train with a heavier bike than your race bike.
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