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Old 08-02-11, 07:56 PM
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Advice from experienced riders

Hello All....new to the forums.
I decided that it was time to upgrade my bike to a carbon bike.
I do not race or plan to race, I do 40-50km rides 3 times a week and one 100-120km ride once a month only in summer months.
I narrowed down my selection to the bikes below.

- Cannondale SuperSix 5 105 ($2100) - love the bike hate the LBS service, they didn't even know what the guarantee on the frame was. http://goo.gl/lrlYJ
- Argon 18 Kypton on Shimano 105 ($2100) - bike was nice, Canadian also so it is a plus, LBS service is great and reliable. http://goo.gl/PXnDU
- Trek Madonne 4.5 - ($2399) - did a short test ride and bike was good, LBS service is great and reliable. http://goo.gl/wqKCU
- Devinci CX 2 - ($1900) - did not test ride but loved the way it looks. LBS service not so good. http://www.devinci.com/bikes/browse_6#6_20_75

Does anybody have any experience with any of these bikes? Given the short description which bike would you buy or recommend?

Thanks for looking.
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If it was me I'd lean towards that Cannondale (SuperSix is a great frame) but probably go for the Argon 18, as it's a little different and the LBS service will be a plus.
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SuperSix all the way.
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You don't really need to worry about quality at that price point. Take each for a long ride and buy the one that feels the best. Service the bike at the LBS you like most. Doesn't need to be purchased there to be worked on, if they are competent.
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Old 08-02-11, 08:32 PM
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I would narrow it down to the Cannondale or Trek Madone. Either bike is pretty nice so LBS would be deciding factor for me.
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Thanks for the feedback. I have been dealing with the Trek LBS for some time now, I won't feel comfortable buying a Cannondale and then having my LBS service it. The Cannondale LBS was so bad that every 2 minutes or so my sales rep would leave, pickup the phone or just start servicing another client. At the price, I was hoping for some good service.

For the people that are saying Supersix, what makes that a "better" bike?
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Old 08-02-11, 08:40 PM
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Madone. That bike is hot.
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They'll all be very similar at each price level. Sometimes you get more bang for you buck by not buying the mainstream bike, and sometimes less. I'd say that Argon 18 is a whole lotta bike for that price and would think it would stack better against the 5 series Madone. Go for the Argon.
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Originally Posted by eippo1 View Post
I'd say that Argon 18 is a whole lotta bike for that price and would think it would stack better against the 5 series Madone. Go for the Argon.
That is surprising, why would you say that it compares to the 5 series?
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I think you should go for the Pedalforce CG2 frame+fork group obuy for $550. At that price, you could easily build your own sub-16 lb bike for under $2000 easily. Design your own decal/name to put on the downtube. I would do this if I didn't have a bike already.

http://pedalforce.com/online/product...bf839b540a599e
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Originally Posted by Nassa View Post
That is surprising, why would you say that it compares to the 5 series?
Because the link the OP provided takes you to a page where it describes the Argon 18 with Ultegra. In reality, he's talking about buying a 105-equipped bike. The Argon 18 he wants doesn't have a component advantage over the other bikes he's considering.
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Because the link the OP provided takes you to a page where it describes the Argon 18 with Ultegra. In reality, he's talking about buying a 105-equipped bike. The Argon 18 he wants doesn't have a component advantage over the other bikes he's considering.
I'm talking about the frame and not the parts. Trek dumbs down the 4 series to make it more economical for them since they make so many. That's not possible for the Argon 18 (similar to how the Bianchi Infinitio is superior to the 4.5 and Roubaix Elite as well) because they don't have the production capability and so the frame and fork end up being a nicer setup than with the larger guys.
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I would be interested in any comments on Trek 4.5.
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Originally Posted by eippo1 View Post
I'm talking about the frame and not the parts. Trek dumbs down the 4 series to make it more economical for them since they make so many. That's not possible for the Argon 18 (similar to how the Bianchi Infinitio is superior to the 4.5 and Roubaix Elite as well) because they don't have the production capability and so the frame and fork end up being a nicer setup than with the larger guys.
You are not the first person to tell me this. My concern about the argon is the frame garantee is 3 years where Trek is lifetime. Anybody here own an Argon?
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This spring I went through the same thing. I went with the Madone 4.5 and I love it.
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Or you can go with the Litespeed featured bike deal on Competitive Cyclist.
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I really like Cannondales, but in this case I'd go with the Argon or the Trek. The bikes are similar enough that customer service is the discriminator, IMO. Be advised that the head tube on the Trek will be taller that on the Argon. I'd prefer that, but if you're looking for a more agressive fit, the Argon might be more to your liking.

Another thing to consider - I don't know if it works the same way in the Great White North, but in the US it's considered normal for the shop to have a basic fitting and a tune-up or two included as part of the purchase price. If you buy a bike in one place but have it serviced in another, you're throwing away that value.

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I'm pretty experienced, but the only advice I can offer is: take advice you get here with a massive grain of salt.
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I'm pretty experienced, but the only advice I can offer is: take advice you get here with a massive grain of salt.
That's good advice (he says, choking down a huge salt boulder).
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OP,

Take a look at the Cervelo RS /w SRAM Rival. It's about a $2500 bike, comfortable geometry and might be what you are looking for.
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Take a look at the Cervelo RS /w SRAM Rival. It's about a $2500 bike, comfortable geometry and might be what you are looking for.
Leading newbies down the rocky path of Sram Heathenism will not smooth your path into BF Heaven my son.
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I ride SRAM and Campagnolo so I'm sort of automatically going to end up in bike-weenie purgatory unless I repent and step up to Di2.
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Leading newbies down the rocky path of Sram Heathenism will not smooth your path into BF Heaven my son.
If I got this right, no one should own SRAM even if it's on a sir-velo? I'm surprised you didn't nudge him in the righteous path(or at least in your eyes).
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Originally Posted by kimconyc View Post
I ride SRAM and Campagnolo so I'm sort of automatically going to end up in bike-weenie purgatory unless I repent and step up to Di2.
I would cut my thumbs off before I joined the electronic fishing equipment Borg.
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