taken out by a newb :(
08-10-11, 08:32 PM
#26
Senior Member
I'd replace the tire, keep the scuff as a reminder, give your boss plenty of room and let it go. At least you didn't break a rib or clavicle.
08-10-11, 08:36 PM
#27
don't try this at home.
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: N. KY
Posts: 5,780
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 908 Post(s)
Liked 370 Times
in
269 Posts
When I took a pull for the first time, I got a gentle comment "Don't ride so close to the edge of the road" from the ride leader that was following me. Oh yeah, I can't ride like I do solo! Later, he said "That's a good speed. Keep it right there."
It's better to tell them right away, since it takes a while before someone figures it out themselves. Some never do.
It's better to tell them right away, since it takes a while before someone figures it out themselves. Some never do.
Last edited by rm -rf; 08-10-11 at 08:40 PM.
08-10-11, 10:05 PM
#28
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: London, UK
Posts: 2,719
Bikes: 2006 road bike, 2012 cx bike, 2012 carbon rb, 2014 hardtail
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
My boss doesn't take criticism well. I found a document that covers group riding safety that I think I'll email to all three tomorrow morning. https://www.pearlandcyclingclub.org/safety-SpaceCity.pdf Maybe word it in such a way that I'm trying to make them aware of what they need to know so "they" can stay safe in the pack.
08-10-11, 10:23 PM
#29
Middle-Aged Member
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Mesa, AZ
Posts: 2,276
Bikes: Bianchi Infinito CV 2014, TREK HIFI 2011, Argon18 E-116 2013
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 24 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
in our group rides if someone is pulling in the gutter the rider behind just moves to a comfortable location, he/she ends up being off to the side for his/her pull and pretty much ignored/forgotten. If lemmings jumped off a cliff... [no need to finish right?]
08-10-11, 11:42 PM
#30
Senior Member
Sht happens. Let it go. Scrapes are character, and if you think DA chains are a cheap consumable, then you should have no problem with a new tire.
__________________
Cat 2 Track, Cat 3 Road.
"If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter
Cat 2 Track, Cat 3 Road.
"If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter
08-11-11, 12:12 AM
#31
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 363
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
So the lead stopped, the rider in FRONT of you stopped successfully, you ran into him from behind and it's whose fault? What's that "look ahead" part of the pdf say?
i'm looking for the thread from the guy you ran into reading "Taken out by an experienced rider
"
KeS
i'm looking for the thread from the guy you ran into reading "Taken out by an experienced rider
"KeS
Last edited by kevin_stevens; 08-11-11 at 12:29 AM.
08-11-11, 12:16 AM
#32
Senior Member
I'm not sure I understand. The numbskull in the lead braked hard without warning and caused a crash. Surely he must have known he did something wrong? But whether he realized that or not, how is it that you didn't say something to him right at that moment? Something like: "Don't brake so suddenly!"
I'm guessing there must have been a moment when you were all standing there, you with your scuffed bike and punctured tire, when you could have or should have said something regarding the fault of the guy in the lead? I mean, as a fellow Canadian I understand about Canuck reserve and subtlety, but that seems to be taking it too far in this case. Doesn't it?
I'm guessing there must have been a moment when you were all standing there, you with your scuffed bike and punctured tire, when you could have or should have said something regarding the fault of the guy in the lead? I mean, as a fellow Canadian I understand about Canuck reserve and subtlety, but that seems to be taking it too far in this case. Doesn't it?
08-11-11, 12:35 AM
#33
OM boy
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Goleta CA
Posts: 4,311
Bikes: a bunch
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 492 Post(s)
Liked 592 Times
in
408 Posts
if you're not likin the idea of ridin with the boss again, don't - find a diplomatic way to avoid further entanglements.
if you want to attempt further rides, I'd do them after stipulating that they are 'recovery' rides for you. A nice medium easy tempo ride is a good way for riders to get to know each other; without the onus to be a bike stud.
I'll bet there was a high level of 'gotta prove myself' in that 1st ride, especially since you all knew each other from work. That always leads to a hidden tension which comes to no good.
Personally, if I don't feel comfortable smokina joint with the boss, I wouldn;t ride with him/her either...
... and since I don;t smoke, I wouldn;t ride...
08-11-11, 06:15 AM
#34
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 4,429
Bikes: 2013 orca
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
08-11-11, 07:00 AM
#35
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 948
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
doesn't take criticism well? sorry, i wouldn't ride with someone like that.
there are two ways a newb learns about riding and safety:
1. criticism
2. bad experience
so if he doesn't take criticism well, i would rather not be anywhere near him as he learns by doing.
there are two ways a newb learns about riding and safety:
1. criticism
2. bad experience
so if he doesn't take criticism well, i would rather not be anywhere near him as he learns by doing.
08-11-11, 07:07 AM
#36
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 306
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
A similar situation happened to me on the weekend.
We both failed at communication but I was too close and was being inconsistent (should've been to his left a bit as I was before). Thankfully I didn't fall/bail and all I had to do was buy a cheapie tire to ensure I got home safely.
I shouldn't have been too close and he shouldn't have been worrying about where I was but I'm taking it as my own lesson for sure. If you want him in your group and you probably do (I would), let someone else who witnessed it pipe up and talk to him about it. Ask him things that he should have done, "Hey, did you put your hand down?", "Did you yell SLOW or STOP?" And when he answers reply with, "Yeah I was following too closely", "I should have given more space".
You really need to remember the mistakes you made when you were newbing it up.
We both failed at communication but I was too close and was being inconsistent (should've been to his left a bit as I was before). Thankfully I didn't fall/bail and all I had to do was buy a cheapie tire to ensure I got home safely.
I shouldn't have been too close and he shouldn't have been worrying about where I was but I'm taking it as my own lesson for sure. If you want him in your group and you probably do (I would), let someone else who witnessed it pipe up and talk to him about it. Ask him things that he should have done, "Hey, did you put your hand down?", "Did you yell SLOW or STOP?" And when he answers reply with, "Yeah I was following too closely", "I should have given more space".
You really need to remember the mistakes you made when you were newbing it up.
08-11-11, 07:09 AM
#37
I got 99 problems....
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Does anyone know where the love of God goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Posts: 2,087
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times
in
2 Posts
1. Buy new tire
2. Don't let anyone else pull.
3. Post about damage done on next ride when you get hit from behind.
or.....
Leave yourself more space when following newbs. You shouldn't have any trouble holding on with a few more feet between you and the rider in front. If they ask why you are so far behind, that is the time to politely bring up what happened on the first ride.
2. Don't let anyone else pull.
3. Post about damage done on next ride when you get hit from behind.
or.....
Leave yourself more space when following newbs. You shouldn't have any trouble holding on with a few more feet between you and the rider in front. If they ask why you are so far behind, that is the time to politely bring up what happened on the first ride.
08-11-11, 07:42 AM
#38
The Weird Beard
Join Date: May 2005
Location: COS
Posts: 8,554
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times
in
3 Posts
I was going to reply on this, but I see it has already devolved into a crosschaining thread.
You will find a way to discuss the event in a way that will not offend. Doing nothing will ensure the likelihood that it happens again.
You will find a way to discuss the event in a way that will not offend. Doing nothing will ensure the likelihood that it happens again.
08-11-11, 08:45 AM
#39
In vitro cyclist
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: SOKY, Middle TN
Posts: 334
Bikes: 2005 Specialized Allez Comp Double, 2011 Mercier Kilo Stripper
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Scolding your boss is like training a dog. You have to do it immediately after the event happens or they think that you are angry at them for something else.
08-11-11, 09:12 AM
#40
Two-Wheeled Aficionado
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Wichita
Posts: 4,903
Bikes: Santa Cruz Blur TR, Cannondale Quick CX dropbar conversion & others
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times
in
4 Posts
A lot of comments here-- good, bad and silly. I agree that the panic braking was not a good idea and caused the whole situation. A paceline by default makes it very difficult to have any time to react to situations like this one.
I would start by acknowledging your own role in the crash and mistakes. Though difficult, it's possible you could have passed on the left rather than bunching up and colliding, or taken other actions that may have prevented your part of the crash. I wouldn't even talk about the individual mistakes the others made, just talk safe riding in general to the group.
This might not be adequate for every rider, but it's a good first step. It's a hell of a lot less aggressive than chewing out the others, and it's less likely to cause bad feelings. But some people cannot stand criticism or the thought they even contributed to the problem, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone gets upset.
I would start by acknowledging your own role in the crash and mistakes. Though difficult, it's possible you could have passed on the left rather than bunching up and colliding, or taken other actions that may have prevented your part of the crash. I wouldn't even talk about the individual mistakes the others made, just talk safe riding in general to the group.
This might not be adequate for every rider, but it's a good first step. It's a hell of a lot less aggressive than chewing out the others, and it's less likely to cause bad feelings. But some people cannot stand criticism or the thought they even contributed to the problem, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone gets upset.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
dmill78
Road Cycling
70
10-08-11 10:39 PM
