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When do 2012 Trek's come out? / New to road biking questions

Old 08-13-11, 10:15 PM
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When do 2012 Trek's come out? / New to road biking questions

Greetings everyone. I've been looking to (finally) get a road bike and am somewhere between the 1.5, 2.1, 2.3 and 4.5. I keep going back and forth between models because I've been riding a mountain bike and hybrid for a while, and I'm really not sure if I'll even notice the differences. Leaning towards a 2.x because 105 is supposed to be better, but from the bike I've ridden, I really don't notice that much of a difference. I have tried a 4.5 and like that the carbon frame is lighter, but not sure if I should just get something cheaper because I'll eventually want to upgrade anyway. They're all in the $1,000 - 2,000 range, which really isn't a lot of difference. It seems silly to upgrade any aluminum bike with new components and tires, because the upgrade itself will cost more than just buying a new bike.

SO, all of the 2010's have been sold at my LBS, so I'm not sure if I should wait a few weeks (months?) for the 2012's to come out and get a deal on a 2011. I've been researching since the Spring, and if I have to wait a bit longer, I'm okay with it if it will save me a few hundred dollars. I tend to run in the Spring and Fall, and only bike in the Summer anyway (when it's too hot to run in NYC).

Any thoughts, comments, and rants are appreciated!!!



P.S. I know that I can get "more bike" for the "same price," but I've had good experiences with my Trek's and my LBS sells them. I keep hearing that, but a full 105 Giants is only $200 cheaper. Not really worth it to me.
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I have the trek 4.5 and it rides like a dream. I also work at a bike shop that sells treks and the new 2012 models should be shipping before the end of September.
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you'll save money in the long run by getting what you want now. i was in your boat this spring when i bought my 2011 2.1. i didnt want to overspend because i didnt know if i would like riding enough to buy an expensive bike. i rode taht bike spring/summer and just sold it last week so i could upgrade to carbon fiber frame/internal cable routing/lighter weight/better wheels all that crap. i should have just bought my current bike back in the spring and i could have been enjoying it all summer long. you're right, dont bother upgrading an aluminum bike, you wont keep it long enough to justify the money spent. if you liked the 4.5, ride a 5 or 6 series. you might like them a whole lot more. dont be affraid to buy something other than trek. if i got a trek that has the features my current bike has it would have cost probably double the price. like you, i really only have trek dealers in my small town area, im glad i drove 3 hours to find a felt dealer
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Originally Posted by abikemechanic View Post
I have the trek 4.5 and it rides like a dream. I also work at a bike shop that sells treks and the new 2012 models should be shipping before the end of September.
How much will I actually save if I wait to buy when the '12's are in the store?
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Originally Posted by c_mack9 View Post
you'll save money in the long run by getting what you want now. i was in your boat this spring when i bought my 2011 2.1. i didnt want to overspend because i didnt know if i would like riding enough to buy an expensive bike. i rode taht bike spring/summer and just sold it last week so i could upgrade to carbon fiber frame/internal cable routing/lighter weight/better wheels all that crap. i should have just bought my current bike back in the spring and i could have been enjoying it all summer long. you're right, dont bother upgrading an aluminum bike, you wont keep it long enough to justify the money spent. if you liked the 4.5, ride a 5 or 6 series. you might like them a whole lot more. dont be affraid to buy something other than trek. if i got a trek that has the features my current bike has it would have cost probably double the price. like you, i really only have trek dealers in my small town area, im glad i drove 3 hours to find a felt dealer
I get that, but I'm not sure exactly what it is I "want." I love my mountain bike and my hybrid, but I just want a taste of speed that the hybrid isn't really giving me. I have no intention of racing (ever?) or even group rides (now), so I think a higher aluminum will do it for me. If I really start building up the miles, I'll consider it.
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if you want a taste of speed, a roadie will satisfy that. if you get a roadie, it wont be long before you will start racking up the miles. it's a little more addictive than you're thinking it is. make sure you try out a nice carbon frame before you purchase an aluminum one. carbon is way more buttery and that makes a big difference on long hauls.
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The newer Trek 2.1 is a BEST BUY.

I have a 2.1, 2.3, 4.7 and all are very much alike (all are 105's).

My 5.2 is a "tad" smoother but not worth the extra $1000.

Depending on your riding style, your results may vary from mine.
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I really like carbon frames for the ride quality, not for any weight savings. The weight doesn't really matter but there is a big difference in the ride between aluminum and CF. I'd suggest the 4 series. I think they are on sale and there is financing. Get the right size. If they don't have your size spend more and get next years bike in September.
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Originally Posted by trek2.3bike View Post
The newer Trek 2.1 is a BEST BUY.

I have a 2.1, 2.3, 4.7 and all are very much alike (all are 105's).

My 5.2 is a "tad" smoother but not worth the extra $1000.

Depending on your riding style, your results may vary from mine.
I was told by the LBS guy that the 2.1's drivetrain is lower end than the 2.3's. Was he just trying to upsell me or what?
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Old 08-14-11, 03:56 PM
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the 2.3 is several hundred more and not that much better. maybe the crank and the wheels are upgraded but not by much and not enough to justify the extra dough. if you're considering a 2.3 its better to jump up to the 4 series madone. its basically a 2.1 on a much improved frame for $2000.
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The 2.3 has all 105s while the 2.1 has a different crankshaft, brakes and wheels. Not much of a difference. I have a 4.5 and upgraded the brakes, crank and wheels. If you think you'll get the upgrade itch (which most people do), I would probably just get the 4 series (either 4.5 or 4.7) and save the trouble. I got the 4.5 because of the color and knew I would upgrade anyway.
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I have a 2011 2.1 and so far it's just right for me and my style of riding. As I get more "into" riding, I'll consider an upgrade to carbon fiber or titanium. I bought the 2.1 just for the 105 but have upgraded the wheels and saddle already. It weighs 18.0 and is good enough for me and my style of riding for now.
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2012 bikes are coming in now at work
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Trek's 2011 bikes have been on sale since early/mid june... I would expect in most areas they will be gone before they are further reduced (in the Boston area many models have been out for over a month)
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For those interested heres a few pictures of the 2012 Madones. Got it off the weight weenies forum.

http://weightweenies.starbike.com/fo...561eff2116f6c0
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For those interested heres a few pictures of the 2012 Madones. Got it off the weight weenies forum.

http://weightweenies.starbike.com/fo...561eff2116f6c0
Better looking bike than the 2011 series. Fewer logos. I like the black one and a few others.
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Usually the LBS will have the 2012 models by mid/end october... Around here they give somewhere between 10-20% discount on the "previous" year model.
Since it's your first road bike I would take the a cheap alum/tiagra one to ride for a year or two and then you upgrade to your bike later. Don't forget that you need to account in for all the extras that you have to buy. In my case it added up almost another $1000.
Of course, if money isn't a problem for you, go carbon, if money is something that you take into account, I would say buy a "cheap" good aluminium bike. Very likely the bike/geometry you buy now won't be the same that you will want later on.
Some of the extra expenses I had on top of my first road bike:
Bike Fit: $90
Clipless pedals $60
Road shoes $100
Bib $100
Jersey $30
2x cages/bottles $50
Garmin Edge 305 $149
Good tires $85
Gloves: $25
Helmet: Don't remember
Cycling glasses: $50 "One that has a proper fit, doesn't slide on your nose and isn't too small that when you are on a leaning position, you see over it. You also sweat like a pig on a grill, so you need a glass with openings that doesn't fog.
New shorter stem, $60
Floor pump - don't remember but get a good one, you need to pump almost every day, so you will need a good floor pump.
Some tools, lube, repair stand if you get a cheap one....
Looks like all small stuff, but it adds up qickly.

Three real examples of awesome "cheap bikes" to get, from my LBS:
2011 Cannondale CAAD8 6 Tiagra: $829
2011 Specialized Allez Double: $769
2011 Cannondale Synapse 7: $809.99

Those are excellent bikes for at a much affordable price range. And if you decide 1-2 years from now that you want a better bike, you can sell this for a small loss but will have a much better idea of what you want in terms of bike, geometry and components. Since you will be only riding during summer... these bikes looks more then enough from where I see it.

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I am ordering a 3.1 on Monday, should be in before the end of the week, so they are shipping.
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I'm not impressed. I think Trek needs to step their game up a bit instead of continuing to market the same exact bike differently year after year. There are so many bike companies out there doing new things these days. Whether or not they are worthwhile improvements, I can't say for sure. At least they are trying though. Cannondale has the SS Evo, Cervelo the S5, Specialized the Venge and Tarmac SL4. All the Italian and French bike companies are going hard too. Then we have Trek with nothing cool, new, or innovative whatsoever! They are probably concentrating their efforts on opening more of those large corporate Trek stores rather than investing any money into R&D. Kind of sad, but in the end they really don't care. They'll keep making their money because of their name and how many stores they have.
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Originally Posted by ilovecycling View Post
I'm not impressed. I think Trek needs to step their game up a bit
Yet, I would not consider anything but Trek at this point. This is what the LBS carries in my small town. They have also been extremely good to me, and I have a great relationship with them. It's not always about the bike, sometimes it's about the dealer. I have also had GREAT luck with my Trek 1.5. The only issue I have had in three years was a broken spoke once, and I am having the headset checked for creaking now, but the bike has some miles on it. Complete headset rebuild is only going to be $25 and maybe some parts.
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Originally Posted by ilovecycling View Post
Then we have Trek with nothing cool, new, or innovative whatsoever!
I read that all the Madone frames are now OCLV carbon and the 4 Series Madone frames are 300 ~ 400 grams lighter.

And oh yeah, Trek is busy winning races, Tour of California, Tour of Utah, TDF 2nd & 3rd places and Levi is certainly in the running to win the USA Pro Cycling Challange today on his Trek.

So yeah, other than that and more... Trek is doing nothing and "they really don't care."
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Rode a few bikes today. Tried a 2.1, 2.3 and a 4.5.

I wasn't totally sold on carbon for the extra money, so it was between the 2.1 and 2.3. They wanted $1,100 for the 2.1, and $1,270 for 2.3. The 2012 2.3 series has Apex components and was $1,800.

I'm happy with my purchase, and can't wait to put some miles on it!!! If I really fell like upgrading in a year or two, I'll use this as the commuter bike.
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Originally Posted by robberry View Post
Rode a few bikes today. Tried a 2.1, 2.3 and a 4.5.

I wasn't totally sold on carbon for the extra money, so it was between the 2.1 and 2.3. They wanted $1,100 for the 2.1, and $1,270 for 2.3. The 2012 2.3 series has Apex components and was $1,800.

I'm happy with my purchase, and can't wait to put some miles on it!!! If I really fell like upgrading in a year or two, I'll use this as the commuter bike.
So which one did you get? My 2012 Madone 3.1 is supposed to be here tomorrow. My dealer cut me a heck of a deal :-)
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Oops. LOL

I got a 2.3 for $1,270.
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Originally Posted by RobertL View Post
I read that all the Madone frames are now OCLV carbon and the 4 Series Madone frames are 300 ~ 400 grams lighter.

And oh yeah, Trek is busy winning races, Tour of California, Tour of Utah, TDF 2nd & 3rd places and Levi is certainly in the running to win the USA Pro Cycling Challange today on his Trek.

So yeah, other than that and more... Trek is doing nothing and "they really don't care."
Andy also placed second last year on a Specialized so the brand has nothing to do with it. They ride it because that's their sponsor, simple as that. Levi, Andy, Frank, etc would do just as well on a Felt, Bianchi, Cervelo, BMC, Giant, and add whatever bike company you'd like. I don't dislike Trek, i have a Trek mountain bike and i owned a 2010 2.1 but if you really think that these riders are in the position there in or were in because their on a Trek is a bit of a reach.
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