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Best tires for racing? 700x23

Old 08-15-11, 09:12 PM
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Best tires for racing? 700x23

I have my first race coming up sep 10th and im looking to get the bike as fast as possible



whats the fastest tire out there, looking at a slick type tire
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Old 08-15-11, 09:15 PM
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the consensus answer on BF is the Continental GP4000.
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depends on the road conditions. I'm in Portland Oregon and we have races at out raceway where the surface is SUPER smooth. If your doing a road race, you have different conditions you will be riding through/over. Like mentioned, I think the general best tire for BF is going to be the GP4000. if your doing a smooth surface, I'd maybe do a michelin pro3?
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I would go with the Michelin Pro3 Race, it's a hell of a tire!
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Old 08-15-11, 10:18 PM
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for racing in dry conditions, vittoria evo corsa cx, but not as every day tires, just racing
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Old 08-15-11, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ILUVUK View Post
the consensus answer on BF is the Continental GP4000.
The OP was asking about the fastest, not the best compromise of acceptably good rolling and grip with reasonable durability and puncture resistance.

If it's low rolling resistance and great grip and feel that you want, and punctures and wear be damned, get the Michelin Pro Race 3 Lite. PBK even have them in stock.

https://www.probikekit.com/au/tyres-t...tyre-23mm.html
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Old 08-15-11, 10:35 PM
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Don't use them unless you plan on wearing them out a little bit before the race. Depending on which tires you go with, the molding line that runs in the center of the tire (GP4000) will increase rolling resistance. It's best to wear them out naturally, but if you are in a hurry you could try a sanding sponge.
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Old 08-16-11, 12:07 AM
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Remember to get latex inner tubes as well. But in reality neither the tyres or tubes will make much difference to where you place in the race.
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well i guess i had good taste then I was already running the GP 4000s only trouble is I destroyed both of them in less than 500 miles, bad bad sidewall cuts a half inch long

I'm starting to think I'll just run 20 dollar cheapos for training and then leave the good ones for racing only. yea im getting the forte superlight tubes, saves close to 400g total over running thornproof in both tires
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recently i've seen a lot of really good deals on the michelin pro 3 race, of course this was after I already paid $65 a pop for mine! a couple of weeks ago competitive cyclist had 2 pro 3 race tires and 2 vittoria latex tubes on sale for $90! i've seen the pro 3 race in other places for $50 recently. I don't think comp cyclist has the sale anymore
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Old 08-16-11, 10:48 AM
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PR3s are great.

I just wore out mine after about 4500km on really crappy roads and have put on Schwalbe Ultremos. Those be mighty fine tires as well.

Another friend swears by the top of the line Vittorias - EVO CXs?
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Originally Posted by ilovecycling View Post
Don't use them unless you plan on wearing them out a little bit before the race. Depending on which tires you go with, the molding line that runs in the center of the tire (GP4000) will increase rolling resistance. It's best to wear them out naturally, but if you are in a hurry you could try a sanding sponge.
No. Not even close.

Some new tires have a mold release compound on them that can be a little slippery until you wear that off by riding them for a few miles. Your race buddies will appreciate it if you don't slide out on a corner or something...

Either way, stay safe and have fun!
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Old 08-17-11, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by speedemon View Post
I would go with the Michelin Pro3 Race, it's a hell of a tire!
I thought so too...

https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...=#post13017011

I will be going the Conti GP4000S route for my next RR,TT or Crit.
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Old 08-17-11, 02:18 PM
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First race?

I'd worry about getting those legs fast.
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Whatever you have is fine.

That said, Schwalbe Ultremo ZX with latex tubes. Yesssss.
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Originally Posted by zitter View Post
for racing in dry conditions, vittoria evo corsa cx, but not as every day tires, just racing
I train on them too. True, they wear out quickly (<1500 miles), but I race on the same wheels...it's not worth the hassle to switch tires every week. I'm too superstitious to race on freshly mounted tires/tubes anyways.
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Old 08-17-11, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DScott View Post
No. Not even close.

Some new tires have a mold release compound on them that can be a little slippery until you wear that off by riding them for a few miles. Your race buddies will appreciate it if you don't slide out on a corner or something...

Either way, stay safe and have fun!
I guess I shouldn't have given advice that I wouldn't take myself, but if I was looking for the fastest possible tire w/ the least rolling resistance, I wouldn't ride on a brand new GP4000. That mold line right in the center of the tire is sure to slow you down a bit when it is brand new. A few rides will indeed wear off the initial slickness of the tire, but it won't get rid of the mold line. My rear tire took probably 200 miles for it to disappear and the front took probably 500 or so miles before it disappeared. Also, I wasn't implying that the OP should take a sanding sponge to the entire tire, but a light scuffing w/ a super fine grit sponge along the center couldn't hurt if he didn't have time to ride it before the race. Then again, maybe the line being there doesn't affect a thing.
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Old 08-17-11, 06:23 PM
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Haha yea im a bit nervous about it, never done anything like it before, been a long long time since I was with a fit group of riders. Its a 28 mile route with one decently sized climb, not flat by any means alot of up and down rolling hills. I'm not going to prob finish in the top half at all but I expect ill be closer to the middle, who knows its 3 weeks away if I train really hard and get some help in the wind I might be able to exceed my own expectations.

I'm doing a century this weekend so that should break them in, assuming I don't run over something again and destroy them, so far ive yet to get more than 500 miles on a tire on this bike
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Then again, maybe the line being there doesn't affect a thing.
You're talking about 2 different things. I'm waiting for B Dopilina to wade in, but I guess he's getting sick of being called an ass for knowing what he's talking about.
I've never heard of the mold release residue causing any change to rolling resistance. A lot of slick tires have that line, but seriously.
Cut the offending rubber off. Weigh it. Figure out how much deflection or change to the rolling shape of your tire the removed material causes. Repeat with another pair of tires, compare the difference. Then realise the differences are below the margin of error.
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I have not tried the gp 4000 but I am going to one of these days. I stayed away from them based on reviews. Many complained about sidewall punctures. and read they were hard as hell to get on. I also want to try the michelin 3. I have a trek madone and i weigh 165. My favorite tires for that bike were the Vredestein fortezza sl superlite (180 grams, 120 tpi, 175psi max!). I have tried hutchingson (different brands. Right now I'm using the atoms based on good reviews. For the price I got them for $20 each they were a steal! I wouln't pay $40 for them though. They have good rolling resistance, but are not close the vred. I swear the vred. made me feel so much faster! Just my opinion on what Ive used on that bike.
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I don't race, but love my Michelin Pro 3's....
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Old 08-17-11, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Minion1 View Post
You're talking about 2 different things. I'm waiting for B Dopilina to wade in, but I guess he's getting sick of being called an ass for knowing what he's talking about.
I've never heard of the mold release residue causing any change to rolling resistance. A lot of slick tires have that line, but seriously.
Cut the offending rubber off. Weigh it. Figure out how much deflection or change to the rolling shape of your tire the removed material causes. Repeat with another pair of tires, compare the difference. Then realise the differences are below the margin of error.
What 2 different things do you think I'm talking about? I'm only talking about the mold line in the center of the tire and how it might affect rolling resistance. I haven't done any testing and never will, so I'm not making any claims here.

As for deflection, I'm sure the center line won't change deflection or overall riding characteristics, but I imagine having it there can't be beneficial in any way. The center line isn't rigid or even part of the main tire surface. It's just excess that folds over and gets in the way. It's like having something stuck to your tire that shouldn't be on it. It has to suck up some energy. Whether it's a lot or a little in the long run, I'll never know. All I'm saying is that if possible, I'd rather race on a pair of slightly worn/broken in tires than brand new ones.

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Old 08-17-11, 10:20 PM
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I currently use Schwalbe Ultermo's, these are good. As its your first race, I wouldn't worry about tires too much. Focus on fitness and tactics first.
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D Scott was talking about the release compound that assists tire makers get their tires out of the mould. You answered by discussing the mold line which is residual rubber from the moulding process, and you talk about that mold line increasing rolling resistance.

Is that an unfair summary?
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