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"Once you start using a power meter and seeing the benefits of power-based data, you quickly realize that you want power from every ride that you do – on every bike, from every event. The data becomes so valuable to you, that a ride without power is almost a ride that didn’t happen. And so, most cyclists are suddenly wrestling – struggling - with how to get power on every one of their bikes and from every type of riding situation."

It's cool and all, but this is just ridiculous...
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Originally Posted by hao View Post
"Once you start using a power meter and seeing the benefits of power-based data, you quickly realize that you want power from every ride that you do – on every bike, from every event. The data becomes so valuable to you, that a ride without power is almost a ride that didn’t happen. And so, most cyclists are suddenly wrestling – struggling - with how to get power on every one of their bikes and from every type of riding situation."

It's cool and all, but this is just ridiculous...
You obviously are not familiar with concepts such as TSS, CTL, ATL, TSB, etc.

If you want to get the most from the data, you need it from all your rides and races to do the various calculations such as Training stress score.
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1800 for the cheapest Quarq right now

if you have a compatible crank I think ti's 1500 ish for the quarq

Quarq is proven the Garmin is not

easy for me to decide
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Originally Posted by hao View Post
"Once you start using a power meter and seeing the benefits of power-based data, you quickly realize that you want power from every ride that you do – on every bike, from every event. The data becomes so valuable to you, that a ride without power is almost a ride that didn’t happen. And so, most cyclists are suddenly wrestling – struggling - with how to get power on every one of their bikes and from every type of riding situation."

It's cool and all, but this is just ridiculous...
Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
You obviously are not familiar with concepts such as TSS, CTL, ATL, TSB, etc.

If you want to get the most from the data, you need it from all your rides and races to do the various calculations such as Training stress score.
So if Garmin thinks power data is so important, what about all the roadies who race cross? Don't see too many people using road shoes and pedals in a cross race.
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Originally Posted by Smallguy View Post
1800 for the cheapest Quarq right now
if you have a compatible crank I think ti's 1500 ish for the quarq
Quarq is proven the Garmin is not
easy for me to decide
you can't really knock it for being unproven - it's not even out yet
I have a quarq and a 705, so i doubt i'll be rushing to get this, but i'm excited for the tech.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
You obviously are not familiar with concepts such as TSS, CTL, ATL, TSB, etc.

If you want to get the most from the data, you need it from all your rides and races to do the various calculations such as Training stress score.
No I'm not familiar with those concepts. I do not have a power meter and I want one. I know plenty of power meter users though. I think they too would agree that to claim MOST cyclists are SUDDENLY WRESTLING to get power for every bike and every situation is ridiculous. I understand it's marketing and all, but at least make it reasonable.
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You don't need a power meter to train or to get faster, I have plenty of long time racing pals who prove that regularly. But it does provide you with training data and metrics no other tool can match; it can confirm things you suspect about your strengths/weaknesses, it can help you train on days when your heart rate doesn't cooperate. In fact, the more you use a power meter, the more pointless heart rate starts to seem as a training metric or barometer. That's all they had 10+ years ago of course. Not much difference between using an HRM and 'go hard, then recover, then go again' in my view. Which is essentially what all this crap comes down to anyway.

Good grief you velo morons, let's just face it, everybody just wants another friggin toy. I know I do.
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I was excited about this when it was based on Speedplay...Now, not so much!
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Originally Posted by hao View Post
No I'm not familiar with those concepts. I do not have a power meter and I want one. I know plenty of power meter users though. I think they too would agree that to claim MOST cyclists are SUDDENLY WRESTLING to get power for every bike and every situation is ridiculous. I understand it's marketing and all, but at least make it reasonable.
well they're not gonna be like "You'll get power readings! And you shall find them interesting at first! and then you shall FORGET THEMMMMM!!!"

i'm just getting started with my quarq. having power is very interesting, and i'm learning to use it. i miss it on my 2nd bike.
for example:
- you can easily measure how aero you are. maintain speed, get aero. Watts should drop.
- you can do power-based endurance workouts, which are an objective measure of effort, rather than heart rate which is influenced by other things.
- it has changed my time on the trainer - intervals are much easier to measure. "hold 300W for 5 minutes"
- you gain some physical education. you get to learn what a certain number of watts "feels" like, just like you can learn what 7500rpm "feels" like in a car, telling you it's time to shift.
- you get accurate calorie readings, so you know exactly when you have earned a cheeseburger.
...and this is all without knowing anything about FTP or any of those things.
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
Calm down Fredly. First wait and see if this ever hits your LBS. Then wait and see if this crap actually works in the real friggin world. I haven't even seen this in the pro peloton yet, so it's not like there's a lot of evidence they have thoroughly field tested this under heavy use (like Shimano did with Di2 in the pro ranks for a couple of years before they brought it to the retail customers).

The only thing you idiots have going for you on this is the large company (Garmin) behind this new innovative product. Let's hope it's everything it's cracked up to be.
Vaporware for now but I think this will take off because if it works as well as other powermeters currently available then it will have an edge in that it can be transfered to different bikes easily. The fact Garmin is behind it makes me think this will be out relatively soon, I don't think they would announce it if they weren't confident it will be successful. As for the price point well it's a bit steep but comparable to other powermeters so it can present itself as a viable option once people see some real world testing. I will definitely consider purchasing the Vector if it proves to be a solid product.



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You don't need a power meter to train or to get faster, I have plenty of long time racing pals who prove that regularly. But it does provide you with training data and metrics no other tool can match; it can confirm things you suspect about your strengths/weaknesses, it can help you train on days when your heart rate doesn't cooperate. In fact, the more you use a power meter, the more pointless heart rate starts to seem as a training metric or barometer. That's all they had 10+ years ago of course. Not much difference between using an HRM and 'go hard, then recover, then go again' in my view. Which is essentially what all this crap comes down to anyway.

Good grief you velo morons, let's just face it, everybody just wants another friggin toy. I know I do.
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Originally Posted by rbart4506 View Post
I was excited about this when it was based on Speedplay...Now, not so much!
Me too. The Look pedals aren't compatible with my feet. And $1500 is way too much money for me to want to play with it.
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Originally Posted by hao View Post
No I'm not familiar with those concepts. I do not have a power meter and I want one. I know plenty of power meter users though. I think they too would agree that to claim MOST cyclists are SUDDENLY WRESTLING to get power for every bike and every situation is ridiculous. I understand it's marketing and all, but at least make it reasonable.
This has been a siginificant issue from the time powertaps started to become common. Traditionally, there's been the dillema of racing without the powertap forgoing data, or racing with it, and limiting your wheel choices (such as not using a disc in a TT, or not using your deep sectioned tubulars in a road race.)

It got better with the Quarq, but you still had issues of having to move the crank from your Road bike to your tt bike, to your back up road bike, etc.

I'd say the hyperbole in the statement is the suddenly. People having been wrestiling with this for years, as evidenced by the number of threads in th racing forum regarding whether to race with the power tap, and how do I get accurate Cummulative Training load and Training Stress scores without power data from one of my bikes, etc.
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Originally Posted by Inertianinja View Post
well they're not gonna be like "You'll get power readings! And you shall find them interesting at first! and then you shall FORGET THEMMMMM!!!"

i'm just getting started with my quarq. having power is very interesting, and i'm learning to use it. i miss it on my 2nd bike.
for example:
- you can easily measure how aero you are. maintain speed, get aero. Watts should drop.
- you can do power-based endurance workouts, which are an objective measure of effort, rather than heart rate which is influenced by other things.
- it has changed my time on the trainer - intervals are much easier to measure. "hold 300W for 5 minutes"
- you gain some physical education. you get to learn what a certain number of watts "feels" like, just like you can learn what 7500rpm "feels" like in a car, telling you it's time to shift.
- you get accurate calorie readings, so you know exactly when you have earned a cheeseburger.
...and this is all without knowing anything about FTP or any of those things.
no you don't. Metabolic efficiency ranges from 20% to 25% and differs by exertion levels. That said, it does give you a very good estimate.
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Originally Posted by roadiejorge View Post
Vaporware for now but I think this will take off because if it works as well as other powermeters currently available then it will have an edge in that it can be transfered to different bikes easily. The fact Garmin is behind it makes me think this will be out relatively soon, I don't think they would announce it if they weren't confident it will be successful. As for the price point well it's a bit steep but comparable to other powermeters so it can present itself as a viable option once people see some real world testing. I will definitely consider purchasing the Vector if it proves to be a solid product.
they'll either make it or they won't.
it'll either give accurate power readings or it won't.
if they make it, blogs will test the holy hell out of it. if it's inaccurate of flimsy, you'll hear about it.

my Quarq was $1750 (included chainrings). I think it's widely regarded as "worth the money."
if this system gives accurate power readings + pedals + easier installation + leg-specific readings, it'll be "worth the money."
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Originally Posted by echappist View Post
no you don't. Metabolic efficiency ranges from 20% to 25% and differs by exertion levels. That said, it does give you a very good estimate.
right...let me rephrase.

you get calorie counts that are more accurate than gamin's current calorie counts, which are completely ridiculous.

either that or i'm pretty regularly burning 2-3000 calories on rides
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Originally Posted by Inertianinja View Post
well they're not gonna be like "You'll get power readings! And you shall find them interesting at first! and then you shall FORGET THEMMMMM!!!"

i'm just getting started with my quarq. having power is very interesting, and i'm learning to use it. i miss it on my 2nd bike.
for example:
- you can easily measure how aero you are. maintain speed, get aero. Watts should drop.
- you can do power-based endurance workouts, which are an objective measure of effort, rather than heart rate which is influenced by other things.
- it has changed my time on the trainer - intervals are much easier to measure. "hold 300W for 5 minutes"
- you gain some physical education. you get to learn what a certain number of watts "feels" like, just like you can learn what 7500rpm "feels" like in a car, telling you it's time to shift.
- you get accurate calorie readings, so you know exactly when you have earned a cheeseburger.
...and this is all without knowing anything about FTP or any of those things.
That's not what I mean at all. I wasn't confused about what a power meter is capable of doing.
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they'll either make it or they won't.
it'll either give accurate power readings or it won't.
if they make it, blogs will test the holy hell out of it. if it's inaccurate of flimsy, you'll hear about it.

my Quarq was $1750 (included chainrings). I think it's widely regarded as "worth the money."
if this system gives accurate power readings + pedals + easier installation + leg-specific readings, it'll be "worth the money."
quarqs are easy enough to install, and it's doubtful what information leg-specific readings gives. There's a reason why powercranks didn't take off.
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This has been a siginificant issue from the time powertaps started to become common. Traditionally, there's been the dillema of racing without the powertap forgoing data, or racing with it, and limiting your wheel choices (such as not using a disc in a TT, or not using your deep sectioned tubulars in a road race.)

It got better with the Quarq, but you still had issues of having to move the crank from your Road bike to your tt bike, to your back up road bike, etc.
takes less than 5 minutes, which is about the same as swapping pedals.
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That's not what I mean at all. I wasn't confused about what a power meter is capable of doing.
though i don't think you appreciate the fact that training by power has allowed people to get very close to what has long been the holy grail of exercise physiology: structured, periodized training.
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no you don't. Metabolic efficiency ranges from 20% to 25% and differs by exertion levels. That said, it does give you a very good estimate.
Alan Lim did a good piece on this on Saris' website. They had lab data on efficiency for cyclists from recreational riders to professionals. IIRC the efficency range in their tests were 18 to 23% ( I could be off a bit on the precise number)
Applying their data to the math converting kilojoules to dietary calories resulted in 1 KJ = 1.1 dietary calories +/- 5% (with the plus minus taking into account the range of efficiency)

Add in +/- 2% for the power meter accuracy, and your dietary calories should be accurate within 7% if you go with 1kj = 1.1 calorie.

So not perfect but pretty close.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
Alan Lim did a good piece on this on Saris' website. They had lab data on efficiency for cyclists from recreational riders to professionals. IIRC the efficency range in their tests were 18 to 23% ( I could be off a bit on the precise number)
Applying their data to the math converting kilojoules to dietary calories resulted in 1 KJ = 1.1 dietary calories +/- 5% (with the plus minus taking into account the range of efficiency)

Add in +/- 2% for the power meter accuracy, and your dietary calories should be accurate within 7% if you go with 1kj = 1.1 calorie.

So not perfect but pretty close.
yeah. fair enough. Inertianinja, I apologize for being a nitpick.

That said, burning 1200kcal doing VO2 max intervals is wildly different from burning 1200kcal doing a tempo ride. I can eat about 2000kcal after the VO2 max intervals and not gain weight. The same can't be said for the tempo ride.
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quarqs are easy enough to install, and it's doubtful what information leg-specific readings gives. There's a reason why powercranks didn't take off.
Fair enough, but I don't think the idea behind PowerCranks and the idea behind individual per-leg power data are exactly the same. PowerCranks are snake oil based on the erroneous belief that the ideal pedal stroke is one where you pull up on the pedals as hard as you push down. Whereas leg-specific power is based on the idea that ideally, one should have as symmetric a power output as possible. This is probably still, strictly speaking, wrong - it is almost certain that the large majority of cyclists will have some degree of asymmetry, and they shouldn't worry about it. My concern would be that these cyclists are going to waste a lot of time and energy trying to "correct" a problem that isn't real. But that doesn't mean that asymmetry can't cause problems if there are large enough differences between different sides of the body. Having some diagnostic utility built into a system like this could be useful.
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Having some diagnostic utility built into a system like this could be useful.
Possibly, although if you were really curious about the strength of your legs you could do one legged tests with existing powermeters. I haven't heard of too many people doing that though.
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yeah. fair enough. Inertianinja, I apologize for being a nitpick.

That said, burning 1200kcal doing VO2 max intervals is wildly different from burning 1200kcal doing a tempo ride. I can eat about 2000kcal after the VO2 max intervals and not gain weight. The same can't be said for the tempo ride.
Really. That seems like it would be impossible to measure. I think higher intensity efforts stimulate the appetite more but I don't see how they effect your weight gain.
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
I think I paid $2700 or so but that included a new set of Zipp 404's, Powertap, head unit. Factor in the Zipp 404 wheels I got with my package and it actually sounds considerably cheaper than this Garmin (which should cost $2K between the pedals and the electronics).
OK, I get that you bought the powertap set up for under list prices, but you state that there is a $2k price [at list prices] for the Garmin set up. I see, $1500 for the Vector and $250 for a Garmin 500. Even with the new math system they have taught my kids, I still see it at $1750. Sure, it's vaporware and we will see what the real price is if/when it shows up at the counter.

I certain once the hype is gone, it will be just over $1k for the Vector.

As for the reliablity of the PT, my SL+ has been sent to Powertap no less than 3 times in 700 miles. Not bad for a brand new hub.
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Originally Posted by Smallguy View Post
1800 for the cheapest Quarq right now

if you have a compatible crank I think ti's 1500 ish for the quarq

Quarq is proven the Garmin is not

easy for me to decide
Actually I think the bicycle doctor out of Indiana is blowing the S975 Quarq out at $1499.
http://www.bicycledoctorusa.com/

I'm thinking about ditching my SRAM SRM (which has a consistent creaking problem) and picking up a Quarq.
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