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Garmin Brings Power to the People with Vector

Old 08-18-11, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by pdedes View Post
has anyone mentioned Brim Brothers vapourware?
I know this is a garmin power meter thread but this idea has my full attention.
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Old 08-18-11, 05:43 PM
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I've ridden Speedplay pedals for a few years. I bought a new bike and some new Speedplay Ti Zero's on it this last Tuesday.

I'm disappointed that Garmin went the Look-Keo direction but maybe Speedplay didn't want to play nice. I can either sell the Speedplays or give them to my son for his bike (he gets my Specialized Roubaix).

I'll still buy the Garmin Vector the first day it's available as I'm a tech-weenie that loves to analyze numbers and graphs.

Whether it makes me faster, is perfectly accurate, counts calories to the nth degree will be debated for the next few years.

All that matters is that it is a new toy and I want it (as Pcad pointed out 100 or so posts ago).

Not sure why everyone needs to justify their choice with everyone on the internet and if you don't agree with someone else's choice feel the need to point out why they are wrong and should have choosen the product that you did.

If $1500 is too much then a powermeter isn't for you (or a NEW powermeter isn't for you, buy used one on Ebay or classifieds from someone that is upgrading). Don't complain that someone is charging too much etc, if you can't afford or won't buy on principle that's your decision.

Mine is to blow my money on stuff I think is neat and let everyone else spend theirs on whatever they want. Heck, $1500 is equivalent to only 300 packs of cigarettes. I'll call it a year's smoking money if I feel a need to justify.

If I'm disappointed after the Vector comes out and I have to buy a Quark or SRM there will be some of you that can tell me "I told you so"....
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Old 08-18-11, 06:12 PM
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March 2012: Strike one, too late.
Look pedals: Strike two, pedal fail.
$1500: Strike three, too expensive.

Looks like my money will be going to a powertap G3.
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Old 08-18-11, 06:42 PM
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Great. A pedal based power system will be pretty much able to determine your weight.

It will likely display "You are too fat for this sport" .
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Old 08-18-11, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by halfspeed View Post
Look pedals: Strike two, pedal fail.
Best damn pedals I've ever ridden. I have 4 pairs. Ditched the Speedplays and never looked back.
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Old 08-18-11, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by halfspeed View Post
March 2012: Strike one, too late.
Look pedals: Strike two, pedal fail.
$1500: Strike three, too expensive.

Looks like my money will be going to a powertap G3.
I'm extremely disappointed at the price.

I won't be buying one at that price.

Oh well...
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Old 08-18-11, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by rankin116 View Post
What? You completely missed my point.
Your point was that cross riders don't use road pedals therefore road pedals with power meters are pointless? Or what?

Let me know just when you figure out what your point is.
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Old 08-18-11, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by valygrl View Post
I wonder if that thing sticking out of the crank has a tendency to hit stuff / pick up debris.

Other than that - want it!
At the bottom of the pedal stroke it'll be horizontal so doesn't look like it would protrude much beyond the arc of a regular crank arm.
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Old 08-18-11, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
Best damn pedals I've ever ridden. I have 4 pairs. Ditched the Speedplays and never looked back.
Yeah, I know. But I hated Keos. As far as I'm concerned, single-sided entry should have gone the way of steel race bikes years ago.
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Originally Posted by halfspeed View Post
Yeah, I know. But I hated Keos. As far as I'm concerned, single-sided entry should have gone the way of steel race bikes years ago.
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Old 08-18-11, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by halfspeed View Post
Yeah, I know. But I hated Keos. As far as I'm concerned, single-sided entry should have gone the way of steel race bikes years ago.
I sense that your limited Fred Intellect cannot grasp the athletic coordination required for such a technical clip-in maneuver.
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Old 08-18-11, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
I sense that your limited Fred Intellect cannot grasp the athletic coordination required for such a technical clip-in maneuver.
Fortunately, it's completely unnecessary. I don't screw around with tightening toe straps either.
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
Vector will ALLEGEDLY be available in March 2012 and will have a suggested retail price of $1,499.99.

Complete, total utter effing VAPORWARE.

Good grief you are all so gullible.
I'm surprised that this thread went beyond this post. The truth has been spoken.

Rough recall of events
Aug 2010 -- it's coming
Aug 2011 -- it's here, well, in March 2012
Dreams that might occur
Feb 2012 -- I can hardly wait until next month!!
March 2012 -- Maybe it's being released at the end of the month all ye who have little faith
April 2012 -- hey, it's not their fault that logistics/shipping problems cropped up
May 2012 -- I think it's a good thing that they care about quality control and won't release until that minor hiccup is fixed
Aug 2012 -- hey, check out this link, vector is coming; it really is this time.
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Old 08-18-11, 08:49 PM
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Let us not waste time talking about cycling technology!
Let us post endlessly about how it is vaporware! Yes, gents! More! God knows no product can ever be more than a year in development!
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Fortunately, it's completely unnecessary.
Not as unnecessary as the hot spots Speedplays created on my Pcad feet on long rides, or their overly complicated heavy stupid cleats.
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Originally Posted by rutnick View Post
what in the world did anyone ever do to get faster without a power meter? I still don't have one. Still getting faster. Upgraded in road and cross in 2012. Best results ever in 2012.
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not speedplay compatible and $1,500? no thanks
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
Not as unnecessary as the hot spots Speedplays created on my Pcad feet on long rides, or their overly complicated heavy stupid cleats.
Should have waited for Ultegra Di2 and saved some money for a better pair of shoes, Pops.

Anyway, the $1500 price point is MSRP - I reckon it will probably sell for $1200 or so within a few months of release, once the initial early adopters are done.

And I also agree with Mithrandir's guess - Garmin will likely bring the price on these units down at some point in the future. They should have enough of a margin to do so, and recover their R&D/capex via volume.
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In the days when marketing is all about making things stiffer and easier to use I find it amazing that theystill make single sided pedals that clamp your foot on with a spring. All that pulling back at the bottom of the stroke is actually flexing the cleat retention spring unlike speedplay which have a solid un sprung efficient interface.

They should have gone with speedplay, tho maybe it was the double sided use that complicated the tech - who knows.

Also no way they will let the software display your weight from these, weight is too easy to check the accuracy.
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I don't get why people are dismissing this simply because of the clipless system. It's going to be silly easy for Garmin to move this to a different system and offer that as well, since the tech is in the spindle not the cleat mechanism. This is just the initial offering, and I am sure more systems will be available shortly after the initial release.
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
Not as unnecessary as the hot spots Speedplays created on my Pcad feet on long rides, or their overly complicated heavy stupid cleats.
You wouldn't have hot spot problems if you didn't ride with those overpriced, underperforming Italian bedroom slippers.
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
Best damn pedals I've ever ridden. I have 4 pairs. Ditched the Speedplays and never looked back.
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Originally Posted by Nerull View Post
Your point was that cross riders don't use road pedals therefore road pedals with power meters are pointless? Or what?

Let me know just when you figure out what your point is.
Wow, you can't understand my point so you get upset? Maybe go back and read the two other posts that I quoted, and if your reading comprehension is above that of a third graders you might get it.

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Originally Posted by kf9yr View Post
$1500 is equivalent to only 300 packs of cigarettes. I'll call it a year's smoking money if I feel a need to justify.
In my neck of the woods these pedals will only cost 180 packs. Quite a bargain.
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Originally Posted by lazerzxr View Post
No mention of speedplay and no mention of Garmin 705. I'm out.

HR is good enough anyway as is perceived effort
Depends on your training goals. Power is extremely important to some of us.

Personally, I've been watching Vector development closely. I'm a time trialist using a powertap. For races I have to add a disc cover to my rear wheel. Pre-race prep time is significant and if I want to use an actual rear disc I can forget about power measurement during races.

Vector allows me to pick my wheels based on race conditions, bike weight is lighter overall, and I get power measurement for each leg. Anyone who does single-leg drills is probably curious about relative leg strength. I know I am.

Not clear whether the Look KEO platform is the only choice -- that could be a major drawback since pedal choice is huge ergonomic issue for many -- but I use Ultegra pedals now and would have absolutely no problem switching to the Look platform to gain the Vector benefit.

I can wait until March 2012. I've got an Edge 500 and garmin sensors all over my bike so I'm ready.
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