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Well, age seems to be increasingly irrelevant for going fast

Old 08-22-11, 11:49 AM
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Well, age seems to be increasingly irrelevant for going fast

Well, the 48 & 50 yr old guys are still killing it out there. Maybe they're not TdF caliber, but they're still monsters compared to everyone else.

Tinker Juarez and Ned Overend still dropping the hammer on everyone - at ages 48 and 50. It seems also in Norcal, that the 50s guys are just as fast as the 30s guys. Not so true in running for whatever reason, but it seems the case in cycling.

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Old 08-22-11, 11:55 AM
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4min slower than Danielson. But then again his time is no feat easily broken. Nice times, Juarez/Overend.
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Old 08-22-11, 11:58 AM
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Even more impressive given that Ned Overend doesn't train much more than an hour a day anymore, and hasn't for quite awhile. One shudders to think how fast he'd go if he trained maximally at this age.
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We sleep better and eat better With age comes some benefit as our bodies break down.

That being said, I am no racer and couldn't go that fast if I wanted to, but I am faster than I was in my 30's.
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The funny thing about the M30-35 division (in cycling, running, and triathlon), is that it seems bimodal. The very pointy end is uber-fast - pro/elites dominate the #1/2 spots in most big races. However, there's a huge gap between the pros and the fast 'AGers', and in running / triathlon, it's often easier to get into the FOP of M35 than it is in M<30 or M>40. I'm speculating that a lot of this has to do with child-rearing - it's hard to train very hard, 15+ hrs per week, when you're dealing with young kids between 0 & 7 yrs old and holding down a full time job. The pros/elites often do the sport as a career, so they don't have to juggle, but for the rest of the new dads (& moms), kids generally will give the FOP competitors a huge hit on their training.

Then you turn 40+, kids learn to watch TV and do their own activities, and you get into the most competitive AG by far in triathlon - 40-50. Not sure if it's just as competitive in cycling, but it is in tri. For running, not so much - there seems to be much more of an age-related speed decrease in running despite age. Even in the fastest masters running clubs, I'll be surprised if more than a few can outrun me, but in a masters bike race, I can count on 10+ killing me, and I'm probably 'equally' fast on bike/run given training and ability at M35-40.
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Ned was in the store yesterday - the day after killing everyone on the hillclimb and you'd never know that he put in a monstrous effort the day before. I'd be on the couch all day unable to move.
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Remember that Ned was untouchable as a normal age mtb racer. A rider that peaks as a Cat 4 at 25 years old will be a mediocre Cat 4 at 35 or 45 years old. A world dominating 30 or 40 year old will not suddenly become a mediocre Cat 4 at 50.

Ned's age/performance is a correlation relationship. It's not casual. Age doesn't cause him to ride well. He has incredible genetics that allowed him to dominate the world of mtb for something like a decade. Geneticserformance, yes. He just happens to be older.
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Outside of general statistics age is fairly meaningless.

Some years back I was climbing a 14er in CO with some VERY heavy breathing 30'somethings who were most all in "good shape." A couple were needing some serious hand holding and encouragement though to forestall the "I-quit." About about 1/4 from the top in a massive scree field w/ HUGE unstable boulders (VERY tough going) I got a little unusual assistance for my encouragement efforts. Bounding like a billy goat down the scree field was a happy, chatty 70'something man breathing completely naturally and all with an 80s era steel framed road bike slung over his shoulder. Seriously... I was motivating the stragglers and just had to stop the guy to chat. Apparently that was his "thing." In his retirement, his fair weather fun was to ride to 14ers and then rip up and down them WITH his bike in tow. A bit nuts if you ask me but at mid70s he was a shining example of how little chronological age can mean...


added: BTW, shortly after on the same day/ascent we also encountered an above the knee amputee picking his way down from the top w/ nothing but a crutch and a partner. When one needs a lesson in perceived personal limitations, sometimes the cosmos have a funny and effective way of teaching....

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Still, from having run a lot of running races, age has a significant impact on running results. The 50 year old have almost no chance of keeping up with the 30-35 year olds - in most of the running races I've done, there might be 1 uber-fast ex-pro 50 year old who's flying, but spots 2+ , in general, are so slow that even with pushing a 20lbs baby stroller with a 22 lbs infant, I can beat #2 and #3 in the M50-55 division on the run.

It's so pronounced in running that the Boston marathon qualifier cutoff time for M35 is a 3:05, whereas for a M50 it is a 3:30. That's a 25 minute differential - or 12-13% slower. It's such a big gap that as a M35, I could literally stop mid-race, watch an entire episode of 'The Office', and still make the M50 cutoff. There is NO way that I could do something like that on a bike road race of comparable distance, even without drafting or tactics compared to most M50s who are training similar to me on the bike. In fact, on the bike, I'd expect most M50s training near what I'm doing to me to be nearly exactly equal.

Interestingly as well, on the swim (yes, I've done triathlons, gasp!) it's like cycling - again, the typical age-group level M50 suffers nearly no slowdown compared to the age-group M35. Seems like the impact from running is a big limiter.
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impact related? I'd imagine that reality is due to the utilization of efficiencies (mechanical and hydro) with a low-impact that simply are not available for running.
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added: BTW, shortly after on the same day/ascent we also encountered an above the knee amputee picking his way down from the top w/ nothing but a crutch and a partner. When one needs a lesson in perceived personal limitations, sometimes the cosmos have a funny and effective way of teaching....
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Well, theres something to look forward to...hammer the kids down turning 50.
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