Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

Carbon Convert

Old 08-22-11, 01:26 PM
  #1  
markwebb
The Recycled Cycler
Thread Starter
 
markwebb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,399

Bikes: Real Steel. Really. Ti is cool, too !

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Carbon Convert

I feel cheap and like a traitor. Me an old roadie from back in the day when a cool Italian Columbus or English 531 ride was what I lusted after. When the Team Raleigh in the showroom window or the white Fuji Racer made me save my dollars for the day when I could trade up from my Peugeout U08. And I did - to a Merckx with complete Campy NR group.

So here I am after having that as my start with bikes and racing in the 70's, getting older and still sticking with steel through a Lemond, Mercian, then the ultimate: A Seven Ti. But divorce and consequences took it all away........now 2 years later I'm after a new bike.

I search eBay. A few Ti bikes interest me. But I gotta have a triple or a compact, good wheels and 27+ on rear cassette (I'm old). The ones in my budget (post divorce) slip through my bidding hands and I'm left with nothing. I buy a steelie but it does not fit. So I start looking at new bikes. Jenson has a steel Surly Pacer. Cool green. Retro. In my budget. But components are not that good and cassette is just up to 25. By the time I swap out components I'm up to $1,500.

So I look at...gulp...carbon. That awful nasty plastic stuff I've made fun of all these years including here on BF. Seems prices have dropped. And I do research. No one's complaining about exploding carbon forks or failing Serottas with carbon seat/chain stays. So I think why NOT carbon. I find a bunch of great carbon deals: Performance Scattante with Shimano 105 (save Tektro brakes and FSA cranks) bike for $1061 shipped. Neuvation 100 Carbon SRAM Apex bike for $1,501. Better wheels than the Performance bike. Litespeed M1 Carbon SRAM Rival for $1,548 from Competitive Cyclist. Better spec'd components save Neuvation bike wheels. But I can live with the wheels it comes with. Fuji SL2.0 at LBS $1,499 with 105 parts.

I ride the Fuji. They say it's a "56". Hmm...specs on Fuji say there is no such size. TT measures out about 55 virtual with a 55 ST. Carbon feels pretty darn good. It feels powerful on a hill even when me the motor is lacking. But it's 105 components, and that Litespeed has Rival.

So I think and think and think and think. Can I really go to carbon? Should I? What if it falls down when parked? Or I fall while riding (which will happen). Well, they make frickin' MTB bikes outta carbon now. I think it's pretty resilent or else you'd see stockpiles of broken carbon frames. I think the stuff will out live me.

The Litespeed is a real eye-popper. Sexy. Great components. How can I resist. I call a few shops as well as Jenson just to see how much the Pacer would cost me with better wheels and a bigger cassette. I'm up in the $1,500 range for a 21 pound steel bike and it's still lower quality Tiagra. I'm not sure I wanna pay $1,500 for a fairly heavy bike with low grade components. The Litespeedwith SRAM Rival has gotta be THE BIKE.

I go to Competitive Cyclist Web site. I open on-line chat session with Jesse on Saturday. Get everything spec'd. 11-32 cassette. 100mm stem. Compact crank 172.5. Cut steerer tube as high as safely possible. Yellow bar tape.

Today I buy it via Competitive Cyclist web site and confirm details with Jesse (some may say at that price it's a steal). I do the dirty deed and move to The Dark Side. This old-steelie hippy goes all 21st century with a carbon bike: sub 18lbs Rival equipped Litespeed M1.

I should have it later this week. I hope to ride the heck outta it this weekend and post a report on first impressions (of course how many bad first impression posts do we ever see lol).

Last edited by markwebb; 08-22-11 at 07:59 PM.
markwebb is offline  
Old 08-22-11, 01:36 PM
  #2  
mpath
Recusant Iconoclast
 
mpath's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Tsawwassen, BC
Posts: 2,496

Bikes: Look 695, Wilier Izoard

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 224 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
I've been looking at that Litespeed at CC for my wife. Looks like a great deal. Post pics when you get it. Nice read btw.

Welcome to the Dark Side.
mpath is offline  
Old 08-22-11, 01:45 PM
  #3  
Seattle Forrest
Senior Member
 
Seattle Forrest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 19,091
Mentioned: 43 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7984 Post(s)
Liked 192 Times in 126 Posts
Originally Posted by markwebb View Post
I feel cheap and like a traitor. ... So I look at...gulp...carbon. That awful nasty plastic stuff I've made fun of all these years including here on BF.
Muwahahahahhaha!

Originally Posted by markwebb View Post
I should have it later this week. I hope to ride the heck outta it this weekend and post a report on first impressions (of course how many bad first impression posts do we ever see lol).
I'm sure the wait is killing you, but that's your penance either for making fun of carbon all these years, or for going over to the dark side. But you have to admit, we have delicious cookies.
Seattle Forrest is offline  
Old 08-22-11, 01:52 PM
  #4  
sbxx1985 
Senior Member
 
sbxx1985's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Colorado
Posts: 11,994
Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1186 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Pretty cool post, OP.

By the way, I think a couple of folks here picked up that Litespeed at CC. Nice deal.
sbxx1985 is offline  
Old 08-22-11, 01:55 PM
  #5  
cyclezen
OM boy
 
cyclezen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Goleta CA
Posts: 3,122

Bikes: a bunch

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 44 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by markwebb View Post
I feel cheap and like a traitor. Me an old roadie from back in the day when a cool Italian Columbus or English 531 ride was what I lusted after. ..
... I do the dirty deed and move to The Dark Side. This old-steelie goes all 21st century with a carbon bike: sub 18lbs Rival equipped Litespeed M1.
same, same
but I made the move 4 yrs ago... It got to where I realized that pushin old iron in groups where guys 30+ yrs my junior were riding crapon at 4-5 lbs lighter and much faster, made no sense at all; and was a total 'fail' condition.
I still ride the old steel 4 weekdays and then roll the crapon for the weekends. So far a good balance.
But the crapon for every day, gets more alluring every day.
I'm actually considering selling some of that old gaspipe.

Enjoy that Litespeed! It's not the darkside. You're just getting some time to let out that 27 yr old stuck in the skin of an Old Pharte.
cyclezen is offline  
Old 08-22-11, 02:35 PM
  #6  
ColinL
Two-Wheeled Aficionado
 
ColinL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Wichita
Posts: 4,903

Bikes: Santa Cruz Blur TR, Cannondale Quick CX dropbar conversion & others

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Congrats! I'm doing a 50km ride on Sunday on my M1-- my co-worker talked me into it. I just love it. I've lost sleep thinking about going for a ride.

BTW yellow bar tape = awesome. I'm going with dual color white/black.
ColinL is offline  
Old 08-22-11, 02:41 PM
  #7  
Seattle Forrest
Senior Member
 
Seattle Forrest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 19,091
Mentioned: 43 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7984 Post(s)
Liked 192 Times in 126 Posts
Steel may be real, but remember: everything's liver on carbon fiber.
Seattle Forrest is offline  
Old 08-22-11, 02:54 PM
  #8  
Ikarios
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Westlake
Posts: 168
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
Steel may be real, but remember: everything's liver on carbon fiber.
I've heard cycling drunk is fun but I wouldn't want to do it on CF
Ikarios is offline  
Old 08-22-11, 03:05 PM
  #9  
spock
Peripheral Visionary
 
spock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Jax, FL
Posts: 1,157
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
Steel may be real, but remember: everything's liver on carbon fiber.
Today I rode 2011 specialized tormac for a few miles. Not livelier (liver is liver). Actually I felt like I was on a really strong and light piece of glass. Not a good first impression, but I suppose to really get a feel for it, you gotta go miles and miles.
spock is offline  
Old 08-22-11, 03:35 PM
  #10  
Steve90068
Senior Member
 
Steve90068's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 1,326

Bikes: Road - Lynskey. Mountain - Trek Fuel EX

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by spock View Post
Today I rode 2011 specialized tormac for a few miles. Not livelier (liver is liver). Actually I felt like I was on a really strong and light piece of glass. Not a good first impression, but I suppose to really get a feel for it, you gotta go miles and miles.
Tarmac not Tormac
Steve90068 is offline  
Old 08-22-11, 03:36 PM
  #11  
Steve90068
Senior Member
 
Steve90068's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 1,326

Bikes: Road - Lynskey. Mountain - Trek Fuel EX

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
also, I have an M1....great bike for the money
Steve90068 is offline  
Old 08-22-11, 03:44 PM
  #12  
Drag
Cardiac Case
 
Drag's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Dropped... about 5 miles back...
Posts: 2,894

Bikes: Trek, Cannondale, Litespeed, Lynskey

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I'm still doing a double take when a "Litespeed" now is actually referring to a carbon frame. Uggh the blasphemy!
__________________
TITANIUMDIVISION
BF Great Lakes Forum
Drag is offline  
Old 08-22-11, 04:12 PM
  #13  
Seattle Forrest
Senior Member
 
Seattle Forrest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 19,091
Mentioned: 43 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7984 Post(s)
Liked 192 Times in 126 Posts
Originally Posted by spock View Post
Today I rode 2011 specialized tormac for a few miles. Not livelier (liver is liver). Actually I felt like I was on a really strong and light piece of glass. Not a good first impression, but I suppose to really get a feel for it, you gotta go miles and miles.
Livelier doesn't even come close to rhyming with fiber. Not even with poetic license.
Seattle Forrest is offline  
Old 08-22-11, 04:15 PM
  #14  
Fox Farm
Senior Member
 
Fox Farm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Prague, Czech Republic
Posts: 2,546

Bikes: Merlin Extra Light, Orbea Orca, Ritchey Outback,Tomac Revolver Mountain Bike, Cannondale Crit 3.0 now used for time trials.

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 57 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
to the OP, I think that you will like the ride of carbon fiber. I own one and it sure feels quick, sort of like riding my first Cannondale after many years of steel SL frames. I also love my Ti bike. Depending on what kind of ride that I plan to do, it will choose one over the other. I have never been on one of the Litespeed CF bikes. I wish that they were a bit more subtle on the graphics with their name. Anyway, I look forward to your report back.
Fox Farm is offline  
Old 08-22-11, 04:20 PM
  #15  
BillyD
Administrator
 
BillyD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Hudson Valley, NY
Posts: 25,408

Bikes: Merlin Cyrene '04; Bridgestone RB-1 '92

Mentioned: 268 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6125 Post(s)
Liked 64 Times in 45 Posts
Heathen!

Commie!

Traitor!













Meh, to each his own.
__________________
See, this is why we can't have nice things. - - smarkinson
Where else but the internet can a bunch of cyclists go and be the tough guy? - - jdon
BillyD is offline  
Old 08-22-11, 04:40 PM
  #16  
ahsposo 
Thoroughbred Member
 
ahsposo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Santa Anita
Posts: 7,087

Bikes: A Home Built All Rounder, Bianchi 928, Specialized Langster, Dahon Folder

Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3028 Post(s)
Liked 94 Times in 64 Posts
Originally Posted by BillyD View Post
Heathen!

Commie!

Traitor!













Meh, to each his own.
I say, Don't knock it 'til you tried it.
ahsposo is offline  
Old 08-22-11, 07:53 PM
  #17  
markwebb
The Recycled Cycler
Thread Starter
 
markwebb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,399

Bikes: Real Steel. Really. Ti is cool, too !

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Yes that's where I heard about them. Thanks, Bike Forums Members !

Originally Posted by sbxx1985 View Post
Pretty cool post, OP.

By the way, I think a couple of folks here picked up that Litespeed at CC. Nice deal.
markwebb is offline  
Old 08-22-11, 08:06 PM
  #18  
markwebb
The Recycled Cycler
Thread Starter
 
markwebb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,399

Bikes: Real Steel. Really. Ti is cool, too !

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
BTW the Competitive Cyclist web site is pretty awesome. Photography is first rate. All the links work. Fairly easy to navigagte, although they did get a little too fancy wen you click on a bike and read the marketing promo - it's kinda hard to figure out how to get actual detailed build specs on the bike . They have full HD videos that play well. And they have a checkout and cart. Yes you can actually buy on-line. I am so tired of looking at site after site of retailers and the links are back to bike manufacturer sites, with no way to actually buy a bike from them. No actual inventory list. What do they think they are getting from their web site when they do that. A guy like me just keeps lookin' until he finds a retailer like CC on line and then I do my buy.
markwebb is offline  
Old 08-23-11, 07:01 AM
  #19  
GalliGruppo
Member
 
GalliGruppo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Skylands
Posts: 29

Bikes: Merckx Team SC, Mondonico Futuro Leggero, Peugeot PVN10 Super Comp

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
My story is very similar to yours except instead of going straight to carbon, I stayed with metal and went for a scandium Merckx Team SC (also purchased from CC). The carbon forks and steerer tube still freak me out, but it's a good transition until I'm ready for full-carbon. I've got a couple lugged steel bikes (Reynolds 531 and Columbus Brain) as security blankets. ;-)

Enjoy your new ride!

GG
GalliGruppo is offline  
Old 08-23-11, 09:20 AM
  #20  
DGlenday
Senior Member
 
DGlenday's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Frederick, MD
Posts: 1,248

Bikes: Cannondale, Trek

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 33 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by markwebb View Post
...
Today I buy it via Competitive Cyclist web site
...
What did you end up paying for it?
DGlenday is offline  
Old 08-23-11, 10:20 AM
  #21  
markwebb
The Recycled Cycler
Thread Starter
 
markwebb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,399

Bikes: Real Steel. Really. Ti is cool, too !

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
$1449 the regular price + shipping. They did not charge extra for different cassette or anything.
markwebb is offline  
Old 08-23-11, 10:23 AM
  #22  
markwebb
The Recycled Cycler
Thread Starter
 
markwebb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,399

Bikes: Real Steel. Really. Ti is cool, too !

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
And I got email today with UPS tracking. Arrives tomorrow (Wednesday). So order in at noon their time Monday. Build/test/pack/UPS picks up all in less than 6 hours. Arrives 48 hours after order because we're two day UPS ground from Arkansas to KY. I suspect Texas/TN/OK/KY/MS/LA and lots of other states are 2 day UPS from them, too. So I order a new bike noon Monday and get it built and delivered by Wednesday. Pretty good !!!
markwebb is offline  
Old 08-23-11, 10:30 AM
  #23  
cleon
Recently Addicted
 
cleon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Front Range, CO
Posts: 521

Bikes: M1 w/105

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Looking forward to hearing what you think. Currently considering moving to Carbon myself and using this shortlist: Felt Z5, Cervelo RS, Specialized Roubaix, Cannondale Synapse, Litespeed M1. That should cover the bases for long rides in comfort and no racing involved.

Last edited by cleon; 08-23-11 at 10:35 AM.
cleon is offline  
Old 08-23-11, 11:27 AM
  #24  
DGlenday
Senior Member
 
DGlenday's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Frederick, MD
Posts: 1,248

Bikes: Cannondale, Trek

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 33 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by markwebb View Post
$1449 the regular price + shipping. They did not charge extra for different cassette or anything.
Excellent price for that setup. Looking forward to your first riding impressions.
DGlenday is offline  
Old 08-23-11, 11:58 AM
  #25  
ColinL
Two-Wheeled Aficionado
 
ColinL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Wichita
Posts: 4,903

Bikes: Santa Cruz Blur TR, Cannondale Quick CX dropbar conversion & others

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Any SRAM PG-1070 cassette, any FSA OS-190 stem (80-130mm, 6 or 17 degree), any width of FSA Omega compact bars, any color of (baisc) cork tape-- no charge. I'm nowhere near powerful enough to need a 53/39 chainring but I would bet that would be no charge too.

Credit is given for kit parts that you replace-- For example I upgraded to ksyrium elites for $400.


Totally different experience for me compared to buying in a LBS. Some LBS do change all these things based on your fitment & riding preferences, but not for free.
ColinL is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.