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Scott CR1 Question

Old 08-23-11, 07:23 AM
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Scott CR1 Question

I want to get a CR1 comp but I've been reading that it now has the more relaxed geometry than before, but still has that racy feel. So my question is can this bike be a main racing bike and what can you do or change to make it more race oriented?
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Old 08-23-11, 08:15 AM
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It is certainly raceable, as is almost anything approximately road bike shaped. In practical terms there's going to be little difference between a century/sportive bike (like the CR1) with its stem slammed and a true race bike (like the Addict) with a stack of spacers under the stem, which is how many people have them set up. You can even put a -17° stem on the CR1 if you need to get lower.

If you want more aggressive geometry, get the Addict. It replaced the CR1 as Scott's flagship race frame.
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Old 08-23-11, 08:28 AM
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Yes the addict is nice, but its out of my price range.
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I have a 2011 CR1 SL, in the smallest size. I test rode the Addict as well. The biggest difference is a taller head tube on the CR1, slightly shorter top tube, and a slightly more compliant rear triangle. The Addict has a slightly stiffer feel in terms of power transfer to the road as well, but it's really minor. The CR1 feels like a race bike, not a toodling-along bike. I truly love descending on it - predictable and sharp, while at the same time the rear compliance smooths out bumps that upset a really stiff bike.

As said above, you don't have to do anything to a CR1 to make it race-worthy. If you want huge big saddle-bar drop, you might prefer the Addict or a different bike -- but in real life, most people don't ride a drop that huge.

Test ride if possible!
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Old 08-23-11, 09:50 AM
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looks like the headtube has increased by a few mm over previous CR1's,that is all.You can always get last years model new?Nice bike though whatever
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Old 08-23-11, 09:59 AM
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kind of hard to see in this picture but slammed stem -6.. i might switch it out to a -10 or -17... the HT is about 1" longer than an addict and thats pretty much the only differences in geometry

found another picture but its kinda sideways..

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Addicts are on the way out... 2011 is the last year. Next year (2012) it's just the Foil and the CR1. That said, you might find an Addict in your size and be able to deal a little. I was trying to get a size S Addict R3 (105 equipped) but the shop couldn't even order one. Now I'm waiting on a Foil, hopefully early October.
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Very nice CR1. Do you race yours? For the headtube did you just chop off the extra, once you found the right position you liked?
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Originally Posted by Sean44 View Post
Very nice CR1. Do you race yours? For the headtube did you just chop off the extra, once you found the right position you liked?
only racing I have done is Tri's .. I would like to do some road races but there aren't anymore happening around me for this year.. and im apprehensive of cat5 crit racing around here (lots of stories about people that cant control their bikes) .. as far as the steerer, yes I simply cut off the extra once I removed all of the spacers..
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Originally Posted by nyxis View Post
only racing I have done is Tri's .. I would like to do some road races but there aren't anymore happening around me for this year.. and im apprehensive of cat5 crit racing around here (lots of stories about people that cant control their bikes) .. as far as the steerer, yes I simply cut off the extra once I removed all of the spacers..
So the only things to really change to make it more race oriented is to cut off extra length on steerer and slam the stem?
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So the only things to really change to make it more race oriented is to have strong legs?
fixed.
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So the only things to really change to make it more race oriented is to cut off extra length on steerer and slam the stem?
cutting the steerer only makes it look purtier and drop a few grams.. even with the stem slammed its about 1" taller than an addict because the HT is taller.. need a steeper stem to get in slammed addict realm.. thats why im contemplating a -17 stem..
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My co-worker just bought a 2012 CR1 Pro (56CM) this weekend. He loves it so far.
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Of course you can race the CR1. It won't be any slower than an Addict. In fact if the race is long or the roads not smooth it may well be faster.
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So the only things to really change to make it more race oriented is to cut off extra length on steerer and slam the stem?
Dude. Don't cut anything until you are sure where the stem needs to be. You won't be sure for a while - and it's fine to ride it with spacers above the stem until you are sure. "Race oriented" is being interpreted in this thread as "lower handlebars" (because that is the main difference between the Addict and the CR1) - but even with a few spacers under the stem,the CR1 is not an upright comfort toodling-around bike. It is a comfortable race bike.
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See the little stack of spacers above my stem? I'm still riding it like this... because it might look stupid, but not as stupid as you'll feel if you have to buy a new fork b/c you cut the steerer too short and your bars are too low.
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I'm not going to say anything super helpful other than: I adore my 2011 CR1 Pro. Test rode quite a few bikes before getting it, I think it's fantastic. Slowly working my position lower, and the bike rides great.
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Thanks all for letting me know that the CR1 is just as capable a race bike as any other racing bike.
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Be careful. I own a Cervelo RS (which I would think of in the same vein as the CR1) and a Guru Evolo-r. Among other things, the Cervelo feels bouncy. The rear triangle seems to act like a shock absorber. The Guru is much stiffer. True or not, the Guru feels faster, it feels like all the power is going from the pedal to the road. (I never understood what that meant until I rode them back to back.)

Both bikes put me in the same position in terms of bars, rise, reach etc, but one feels like a Cadillac and the other feels like a Ferrari.

Just something to keep in mind.
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Originally Posted by valygrl View Post


See the little stack of spacers above my stem? I'm still riding it like this... because it might look stupid, but not as stupid as you'll feel if you have to buy a new fork b/c you cut the steerer too short and your bars are too low.
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Originally Posted by Sean44 View Post
I want to get a CR1 comp but I've been reading that it now has the more relaxed geometry than before, but still has that racy feel. So my question is can this bike be a main racing bike and what can you do or change to make it more race oriented?
Slam the handlebar stem and get some race wheels. The CR1 gets marketed as an "endurance" geometry, but I assure you it is not "plush." It will kick your ass when you want it to.
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I rode the quintessential "plush" road bike, a Specialized Roubaix for the last 4 years (commuting/recreational), and recently bought a 2011 CR1 Team for variety. Quite surprised at the "plush" ride of the CR1 despite the light, stiff carbon frame, and it does have a nice quick response of a racing frame with the vibration-dampening of the Roubaix. Guess the shorter top tube and wheelbase gives it a snappier, racy feel. If the Spesh wasn't Ultegra, I'd probably sell it straightaway.

But, variety is the spice of life.
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Sorry for a brief post-derail.

Is it still true that Scott road frames are made without replaceable rear derailleur hangers?
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Sorry for a brief post-derail.

Is it still true that Scott road frames are made without replaceable rear derailleur hangers?
looking at my cr1 right now and i wouldnt see why it wouldnt be replaceable..
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Originally Posted by Jed19 View Post
Sorry for a brief post-derail.

Is it still true that Scott road frames are made without replaceable rear derailleur hangers?
I have a 2010 Scott CR1 and it has a replaceable hanger. This the first year they went to this along with the new rear triangle and taller head tube.
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