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sram red shifters with sram rival rd?

Old 09-17-11, 07:42 PM
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sram red shifters with sram rival rd?

i was wondering if sram red shifters are pointless to put on my bike if i have a sram rival RD unless i got the sram red RD. jw cause i just got a sram red cassette and thinking about getting sram red shifters.
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Old 09-17-11, 07:47 PM
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If you like the shifters better than what you have, then get them I guess.
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Old 09-17-11, 07:51 PM
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I have Force FD/RD on my bike with Red shifters and they work just fine. I have heard that quite a few Pros run Force, which is not Rival but not that much different except for weight.
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Red has the 'Zero Loss' technology (slightly quicker, less effort/movement). I believe that this will work with any RD as the cleverness is in the shifter.
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it works for me.
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I think you can set up any of the sram components with another sram component, but not sure about that one. i do know you can run the red brifters with a rival or force group. As mentioned above, the zero loss thing is the difference in red, force and rival.
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Zero-loss is a property of the shifters, not derailleurs. i drink the koolaid and believe in the zero-loss. I have red shifter and rival RD on my race bike and rival shifter & RD on my commuter. There's a preciseness to the shifting with sram red that i don't get with Rival.
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I have Red shifters and Rival RD. It works. It's still loud. The front shifting is still marginal when under power. It's still crude. But not as crude as with Rival or Force shifters.
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Sram shifters are not brifters.

The Zero Loss has to do with the amount of shifter play before engagement. Once the shifter starts moving the cable...its all the same.
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i just bought a new bike with force all around. I love it. everyone recommmended i go with rival because apparently there is almost no difference in function between SRAMS groups and the weight difference is miniscule between the groups except for red. i can't imagine zero loss being that big of a deal with red shifters but perhaps it is. My force shifters have zero loss in the FD and you notice, the second you push the paddle it starts moving the cable. I suppose that it really just shortens the throw on the rear derailleur which would be nice but overall i'm very happy with my Force setup.
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Originally Posted by I <3 Robots View Post
Sram shifters are not brifters.
really? then if you don't brake with the shifters, what do you use to brake with?




also as to that last post above, there's about 300 gm of weight difference in force and rival.
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Originally Posted by rangerdavid View Post
really? then if you don't brake with the shifters, what do you use to brake with?




also as to that last post above, there's about 300 gm of weight difference in force and rival.
You brake with the brake lever and shift with the paddle, they aren't brifters. That's a dumb word anyway.
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Originally Posted by mtrider05 View Post
You brake with the brake lever and shift with the paddle, they aren't brifters. That's a dumb word anyway.
um, they are called brifters because the brake and shifter is contained in the same unit.

there are no dumb words just dumb people i.e. you
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Originally Posted by motobecane69 View Post
um, they are called brifters because the brake and shifter is contained in the same unit.

there are no dumb words just dumb people i.e. you
I wouldn't call his previous statement dumb. He just repeated back the marketingspeak. A lot of SRAM people do that.
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How is that marketing speak? You don't shift with the brake lever, plain and simple.
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Originally Posted by motobecane69 View Post
um, they are called brifters because the brake and shifter is contained in the same unit.

there are no dumb words just dumb people i.e. you
On a Sram shifter...the brake lever does not do any shifting. So no briftering.
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