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Tony Martin does it on clinchers yet again

Old 09-22-11, 08:17 PM
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Tony Martin does it on clinchers yet again

first he wins the TDF TT without tubulars, now he's world champ rolling on





wonder what his inner tubes are made out of? antimatter?
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Old 09-22-11, 08:24 PM
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His tubes must be made of neutrinos. Faster than light.
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Why does he prefer clinchers? Does he like heavy wheels and punctures?
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I would bet he's tubeless. And I suspect superior rolling resistance and handling, but maybe he just likes them.
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rumor is that he wanted the aluminum brake track in case it got rainy. he ran tubies at the vuelta time trial just three weeks ago.

hed doesn't make tubeless wheels to my knowledge.
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Originally Posted by fly:yes/land:no View Post
hed doesn't make tubeless wheels to my knowledge.
I thought just about any clincher rim could be made to run tubeless, no?
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
Why does he prefer clinchers? Does he like heavy wheels and punctures?
Because he just became a world champ while riding on them.
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Old 09-22-11, 11:44 PM
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He's doing it to troll bikeforums.
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Why not use them when you are a pro and have team support vehicles to switch out wheels or the bike if something goes wrong? It probably makes the mechanic's life a whole lot easier and clearly doesn't affect performance. Tubulars might make more sense for the weekend racer that doesn't have team support and might have to finish a race on a flat. No doubt tubulars still have their place in pro cycling (eg Paris-Roubaix) and they will continue to be the preferred tire, but there's no reason why clinchers can't be used when the course isn't so demanding.
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He also uses ski bends!?!?
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He was busting up yet another Bikeforum ThinkTank myth.
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As reported elsewhere, his setup was Hed Jet 9 clincher front, Hed Jet clincher disc rear (Stallion build), Continental Attack front and rear tires.
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Originally Posted by mazdaspeed View Post
He's doing it to troll bikeforums.
definitely this.
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False Cause

Improperly concluding that one thing is a cause of another. The Fallacy of Non Causa Pro Causa is another name for this fallacy. Its four principal kinds are the Post Hoc Fallacy, the Fallacy of *** Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc, the Regression Fallacy, and the Fallacy of Reversing Causation.

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Tony Martin rides a time trial on clinchers and wins. Therefore, the clinchers are the reason why he won and if I ride a time trial on clinchers, I too will win.
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Originally Posted by ddimick View Post
I thought just about any clincher rim could be made to run tubeless, no?
No. Not at the pressures he'll be using.
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He has lately been running HED Jet 6 SCT clincher front wheel and Jet Stallion clincher disc rear. Tires are Continental Grand Prix TT.
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Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy View Post
Tony Martin rides a time trial on clinchers and wins. Therefore, the clinchers are the reason why he won and if I ride a time trial on clinchers, I too will win.
Personally I would not make that attribution. I would instead say that his equipment was good enough to win, and he was the best rider that day.

Winners have sold a lot of products, bikes, cars, motorcycles, golf clubs, you name it. And they will continue to do so for all time whether the products are average, superior or otherwise.
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They also said he was wearing a CamelBak...although it looks like maybe a CamelFront. Such a Frederick.
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Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy View Post
False Cause

Improperly concluding that one thing is a cause of another. The Fallacy of Non Causa Pro Causa is another name for this fallacy. Its four principal kinds are the Post Hoc Fallacy, the Fallacy of *** Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc, the Regression Fallacy, and the Fallacy of Reversing Causation.

Example:

Tony Martin rides a time trial on clinchers and wins. Therefore, the clinchers are the reason why he won and if I ride a time trial on clinchers, I too will win.
I think the point was simply to observe that he won on what is, supposedly, lesser equipment.
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Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
No. Not at the pressures he'll be using.
I disagree. The wheel is no problem. The tire is the key thing that must be modified to support tubeless and at this level, pardon me for assuming that a handbuilt UST / Stans -ready tire would be possible.

He could've had tubes as well though. The weight penalty is minimal. The possibility of flatting is higher. Mainly the difference is the effective air volume and tire feel.
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Originally Posted by tadawdy View Post
I think the point was simply to observe that he won on what is, supposedly, lesser equipment.
It's different equipment. The wheels are 100-200 grams heavier. The tires are more prone to puncture. But they are not slower than tubies, unless you're talking a very hilly course. I'm just surprised a pro would opt for clinchers. I use them because I don't have a mechanic staff to re-glue me a new tubular when I do puncture. But Martin does.

On the other hand I've seen a bunch of studies claiming clinchers have lower rolling resistance than tubulars. Maybe Martin buys into that.

Hey, go figure. He's faster than everybody else any way you slice it, so what difference does it make?
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maybe he's just superstitious. he one elsewhere on that so he'll keep running that until he loses like baseball players that don't change their underwear or whatever.
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
It's different equipment. The wheels are 100-200 grams heavier. The tires are more prone to puncture. But they are not slower than tubies, unless you're talking a very hilly course. I'm just surprised a pro would opt for clinchers. I use them because I don't have a mechanic staff to re-glue me a new tubular when I do puncture. But Martin does.

On the other hand I've seen a bunch of studies claiming clinchers have lower rolling resistance than tubulars. Maybe Martin buys into that.

Hey, go figure. He's faster than everybody else any way you slice it, so what difference does it make?

Not sure about the course, but perhaps they thought that the amount of time lost by going to clinchers would be less that the time lost on decreased breaking performance.
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You guys are all blind. It's obviously the bike.
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As is well known, HTC does not have an official sponsor and can ride whatever wheels they want. Presumably they choose the wheels that they think are the fastest for the particular situation. A lot of studies in the German cycling press indicate that good clinchers with latex tubes have lower rolling resistance than tubulars. Aerodynamically, clinchers and tubulars are said to be very close, if the tire width works with the rim profile.

In the Hed wheel lineup, the tubular Stinger is supposed to be used with a minimum 25mm tire. Maybe that is not as aerodynamic as a 22mm Continental Attack on a clincher Jet 9 wheel.
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