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Romin versus Toupe...

Old 09-29-11, 05:59 AM
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Romin versus Toupe...

I have ridden both saddles now long enough to make a comparison. Both are 155mm for my slightly wider than normal sit bones but have learned that more than a few pros prefer the Romin in particular in 155mm width due to its shape which is more curved front to back and side to side compared to the flatter Toupe. The Romin seems to disappear more than the Toupe for me. The Toupe applies more sit bone pressure independent of tilt..both saddles being sensitive to tilt which most saddles are.
Maybe...and not certain about this...but the Toupe would work better for me in 143mm width because it does seem to ride a bit wider than the Romin because of its shape. Not sure I want to try this experiment versus simply purchase another Romin 155mm because I can ride that saddle 60 miles without much discomfort...and my typical rides are in the mid 30 mile range. The Toupe at higher mileage will hurt more than the Romin. The one thing I noticed is the Romin has a wider nose for a wider channel..wider channel being good for most of us as we get down into the drops.
But...a wider nose is more noticable in thigh abrasion which is livable for me because I have skinny thighs...but maybe an issue for those with more meaty legs. A tip for those that have experienced this...and this is from Cobb and I believe a good tip...run your saddle a bit off center. Probably very few of us have perfectly symmetric position on the bike. I believe I have a clean pedal stroke as a spinner but I am most comfortable with the saddle nose a bit to the left-ous of the top tube.

I am curious to hear from those that have ridden both saddles and what their findings are?
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Old 09-29-11, 06:05 AM
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I have ridden both. I only liked the toupe better than the romin, but in the end wouldn't ride either. I felt the romin was painful to sit on. felt really unforgiving. the toupe flexed more and gave me more support than the romin. I also felt the edges of both were hard even going to the narrow versions. I ride the fizik arione tri 2 on my road bike and love it. since it has the same shape as the arione but just more of a supple leather and cushion it give me enough comfort to ride a full century without much discomfort at the end.
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I have put many many miles on both. The Romin wins for me, butt down....so to speak. I have one on my road and my cross/tour. Only thing I will say; I must keep my bars low and then the Romin feels perfect. If my bars are too high I really feel the pressure on my sit bones. It would appear that the saddle is intended for an aggressive riding position.
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Old 09-29-11, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by bianchi10 View Post
I have ridden both. I only liked the toupe better than the romin, but in the end wouldn't ride either. I felt the romin was painful to sit on. felt really unforgiving. the toupe flexed more and gave me more support than the romin. I also felt the edges of both were hard even going to the narrow versions. I ride the fizik arione tri 2 on my road bike and love it. since it has the same shape as the arione but just more of a supple leather and cushion it give me enough comfort to ride a full century without much discomfort at the end.
Maybe the Arione works better for you because of your sit bone spacing. The Arione is about 130-ish wide. A very different philosophy also...no cutout...some sit bone weight is reduced by propping up soft tissue which doesn't work for many...pick your poison. :-)
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Originally Posted by con View Post
I have put many many miles on both. The Romin wins for me, butt down....so to speak. I have one on my road and my cross/tour. Only thing I will say; I must keep my bars low and then the Romin feels perfect. If my bars are too high I really feel the pressure on my sit bones. It would appear that the saddle is intended for an aggressive riding position.
Tilt can change this dynamic as well in my experience. I ride in a very pedestrian position. Running the nose up on the Romin makes the kick up in the rear a bit closer to level which reduces sit bone pressure with an average road bike handlebar position. If you compare the Romin to a Brooks B.17 front to back in shape...the Romin is pretty close to a copy...mild S curve in top surface profile..in fact to my eye with even a more pronounced radius into the nose with pressure diminished due to the cut out.
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i have both and love both. however, i prefer the shape of the romin and the thin nose of the toupe.
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Old 09-29-11, 07:19 AM
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There's some good Romin versus Toupe discussion in this thread: https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...=#post13172869
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I test rode a Romin Comp Gel 143mm about 3 miles at my LBS last week. I'm currently riding a Selle Italia Prolink, which isn't available in various sizes, but is approx a 143mm saddle.

The Romin is really hard. It has very little if any give at all. I think I might eventually want a saddle like that, but for now the Prolink is working for me. The padding isn't that big of a deal to me, but the lack of compliance in the whole saddle itself is what I noticed.
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Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
I test rode a Romin Comp Gel 143mm about 3 miles at my LBS last week. I'm currently riding a Selle Italia Prolink, which isn't available in various sizes, but is approx a 143mm saddle.

The Romin is really hard. It has very little if any give at all. I think I might eventually want a saddle like that, but for now the Prolink is working for me. The padding isn't that big of a deal to me, but the lack of compliance in the whole saddle itself is what I noticed.
the hardness is related to the gel. you'll find that gel saddles are a scam and do more harm than good
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Old 09-29-11, 08:03 AM
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Romin for me (although I am pretty sure the Toupe that came with my old Tarmac was too narrow, still road it for a couple years, but the Romin is a better saddle for me).
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Romin 143 for me. The Toupe is too flexy and well .... ugly.
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Sounds like the Romin maybe getting the nod for comfort...in spite of the hardness noted. In my experience a harder saddle is better. I believe this maybe why the Romin and Brooks saddles are more comfortable to me. The sit bones can take a fair amount of abuse but the surrounding tissue maybe not so much. This maybe counterintuitive to many but in my experience, a softer saddle which may seem to be a better cushion for your sit bones, causes a rider to sink in more, causing more pain...which may in fact be the sit bones sinking into the saddle cushion and striking the seat pan....or sit bones sinking for greater displacement during the pedal stroke causing surrounding tissue to become tender.
When I push my thumb into the Romin versus Toupe where my sit bones go...the Toupe is clearly a softer saddle and yet I have more sit bone pain with it...hence harder maybe better and if trying to push on a Brooks...there is very little vertical displacement for the same pressure in the sit bone area.
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I bought a Romin Comp Gel 155 6 weeks before RAGBRAI. I had never ridden on a "performance saddle" before. I upgraded from an overstuffed Planet Bike ARS Gel saddle.

At first I could not get comfortable but this was due to positioning issues and the fact that my sitbones needed to HTFU as they were never subjected to such little padding before.

4-5 weeks of daily rides from 30-50 miles, 1 jar of Noxema used as saddle creme and a couple of on-the-ride adjustments and a pro-fit and the Romin just disappeared under me.

I did 525 miles during RAGBRAI including the optional century loop and I had absolutely no discomfort.

I have since done 2 additional century ride and continue with 30 mile daily rides.

I can't imagine anything being more comfortable.
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loved toupe, hated romin.
toupe looks way better...
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Old 09-29-11, 09:11 AM
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Currently ride a toupe. Looking to get a Romin Evo. Anyone have experience on the Evo version?
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Old 09-29-11, 09:24 AM
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Another satisfied Romin user here....I have the Expert 143mm.
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Originally Posted by Perp View Post
Anyone have experience on the Evo version?
Due to prostate issues I decided it was time to retire my overstuffed Terry Liberator and try a Specialized Romin Expert. Due to stock availability I was forced to either get the Gel Comp or wait. I chose the gel comp.

For the record:
- I ride an 86' steel Bianchi with the handlebars just slightly below seat level.
- My sit bones were measured at 137
- The shop recommended a seat size of 143

After 3 days of 35 mile round trip commuting my right sit bone was raw and possibly bruised. The left was fine. I was, however, not about to give up because prostate pressure was zero and blood flow was as good as I thought it could be. After a couple weeks I had adjusted to the saddle but something still wasn't right.

I went to different shop and got remeasured. This time, using the same basic measuring device (Specialized ass-o-meter) it was determined my sit bones were 126 as opposed to the former measurement of 137. So apparently, this isn't an exact science and is very dependent upon the person doing the measuring. What's interesting, is this salesperson recommended a saddle size of 155. He indicated there is more to saddle size selection than sit bone width. Riding position and not professionally racing plays a huge role. This guy was a young stud and has four bikes; each equipped with 155 Avatar's, and his sit bone measurement is narrower than mine. He further recommended the newly released Evo, which stands for Evolution. Apparently Specialized listened to user feedback on the standard Romin and incorporated some changes. First and foremost is a narrower nose with a bit more downward curve. They also added a touch more padding. I'm not aware of ay other changes other than cosmetic.

I've only ridden this saddle a little over 50 miles (1.5 commutes) but I can report it is a night and day difference between the Comp Gel. I have not experienced any discomfort. I think it's a keeper! I attribute this mostly to it being a 155 vs. 143 platform. On the former, I did have to adjust the nose a couple times to prevent rubbing but eventually got it right. On the Evo nose rub hasn't been an issue at all.
I feel so confident with this saddle that I plan to use it for a Century this Saturday.

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I’ve actually been testing these two with my new Helix. Previously I had been on a Romin (155) for about 10 months and have a Toupe (155) on my MTB (Litespeed Niota Ti). When riding off-road, the Toupe disappears so accordingly I thought I might have the same results on my Helix. Additionally, I was also looking into making the switch my Spicer Disc Cross Bike that I use for commuting. Specifically I’ve been getting a bit of soreness due to the extra weight of my courier bag/contents. I thought the extra bit of cushioning on the Toupe might make a difference. What I found was the exact opposite of what I expected. I was actually getting sore/feeling pressure on the Toupe within 45 minutes. Getting in the drops took a bit of maneuvering to get comfortable and after prolonged ridding I felt noticible perineal pressure, something I had not felt since going to the Romin. Looks like the Toupe will be going back on the MTB (prefer the flat shape on the Litespeed) and the Romins back on the main rides. I’ll likely take a look at the Evo as it sound like the best of both worlds.

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I have the Evo on order and from what I can tell when comparing them side by side is that the Evo has more of a curve off the sides. Its more rounded than flat now. Evo also has more padding and a very slightly narrower nose. And there's obviously a dip in the nose that should help when in the drops...
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I have a Romin SL 143 on my road bike and Toupe 143 on my track bike. The Toupe is easier to slide forward onto the rivet when hauling on the velodrome. On the road with the Romin, it takes more of an effort to get on the rivet. I have no problems ridng long hours or miles on the Romin in fact this is my second one, the first one cracked in the middle.
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I'm also rocking a Romin and came from the Toupe. I liked the Toupe when it first came out but it just wasn't great for me on longer rides. Now on the Romin I don't even think about the saddle or my butt until >2.5 hours of riding...maybe closer to >3 hours, havent really focused on the exact number but I do know that 35 mile rides are fine but when I get out in the 45-50 mile range I have to stand up every now and then to relieve some sits bone pressure. Never go numb which is the key to me.
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Thanks for the update on the Evo! My sit bones were 110 measured and currently ride a 143 Toupe. First week I had the bike / saddle, did a 105 mile race and saddle felt great! Slight discomfort if I'm in a really aggressive position, so I'm hoping the Romin will take care of that.

Now I need to decide white vs black lol. I have a white bike with white handle bar tape - so I might stay white, but I hate cleaning it after a ride
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I'm on a Romin Expert now but it took a bit of riding to adapt. At first it felt really hard to me but the pressure was squarely on my sit bones so I knew that was a good thing. It is 10x more comfortable in an aggressive position. In the drops I never notice it. Sitting up casually spinning used to be much less than comfortable but I've found that's no longer the case. It's good all around now and I plan on sticking with it.
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Good comments guys...thanks. The Romin Evo seems to live up to its name...an evolution of a popular saddle that addresses a couple of areas....notably the wide nose and some would say excessive firmness.
Don't think the new Evo will be readily available short term at least...perhaps a testiment to how good it is...appears to be out of stock on the Specialized website. I hate paying retail for a saddle but this saddle maybe worth it.
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper View Post
I'm also rocking a Romin and came from the Toupe. I liked the Toupe when it first came out but it just wasn't great for me on longer rides. Now on the Romin I don't even think about the saddle or my butt until >2.5 hours of riding...maybe closer to >3 hours, havent really focused on the exact number but I do know that 35 mile rides are fine but when I get out in the 45-50 mile range I have to stand up every now and then to relieve some sits bone pressure. Never go numb which is the key to me.
Same for me Gchopper. I can still ride the Toupe 35 miles without too much difficulty but the Romin is naturally more comfortable and can go higher mileage with less distress. The shape of the Romin promotes a more aggressive position as well...I find myself using the drops more and rotating more aero. The new Evo maybe even better it sounds like...the narrower nose in particular.
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