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Charity Ride Gotcha!

Old 10-07-11, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by idc View Post
Frankly, I avoid charity rides for this exact reason. Not to get too political or offend anyone, but they're not really "charity" when there are minimum donation amounts in the hundreds (thousands for some rides).
Agreed.

Plus the rides can be downright dangerous with so many well-intentioned but inexperienced cyclists all over the road.

I am sticking with my club's rides.
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Originally Posted by horus11B View Post
I see alot of people telling him to get the donations, so how about everyone pony up 20 bucks so he can ride? If you set up a way to do it, I'd donate.
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Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
Yep, total cost of doing an MS150 for myself, the wife and one kid was over six hundred bucks...not including the motel (which I figure was an optional luxury on my part)...for the privilege of riding the same roads I could ride myself anyway....but with free food stops.
And you would have $600 to give to a charity.
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Originally Posted by Pedaleur View Post
And you would have $600 to give to a charity.
one that doesn't have huge administrative overhead to boot!
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Originally Posted by DScott View Post
wtf, over?

I made the mistake of getting on the American Diabetes Assoc mailing list. Holy crap, do they send a lot of stuff. And they call and ask for money. A lot.

Do not want.
They need it since one of their bookkeepers just made off with like $570K https://fraudtalk.blogspot.com/2011/0...guilty-to.html
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Old 10-08-11, 03:13 AM
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Consider it a $50 contribution to the cause and move on.
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Get a refund, if nothing else file complaint with VISA.

1. Paying that much is ridiculous.
2. Harassing fam/friends is annoying to all involved.

I've done 6 charity century's this past summer, from leukemia foundation benefit, transplant foundation, local school system, and on would have to lookup the others. All $30-55. I skip the mufti-hundred/thousand ones.
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Originally Posted by Menel View Post
Get a refund, if nothing else file complaint with VISA.

1. Paying that much is ridiculous.
2. Harassing fam/friends is annoying to all involved.

I've done 6 charity century's this past summer, from leukemia foundation benefit, transplant foundation, local school system, and on would have to lookup the others. All $30-55. I skip the mufti-hundred/thousand ones.
There's a difference between raising awareness and raising money. If there was support and insurance then I'm guessing $30 barely covered the costs.

Nobody's asking him to "pay" $250 - they're asking him to "raise" $250.

File a complaint with VISA because he didn't read the terms, really?
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Old 10-08-11, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by rollin View Post
There's a difference between raising awareness and raising money. If there was support and insurance then I'm guessing $30 barely covered the costs.

Nobody's asking him to "pay" $250 - they're asking him to "raise" $250.

File a complaint with VISA because he didn't read the terms, really?
They are telling him that in order to participate he must bring at least $250 in addition to the $50 he's already paid. The organizers don't care where it comes from but the OP has to pay $300 to play. It's the OP's fault that he didn't notice this when he registered. He should consider his $50 a contribution and leave it at that. I personally don't care much for charity fundraisers who use this model of setting minimums to be a worthy donation. They should be clear up front that participation requires a minimum total of $300, not $50 to register and by the way you must raise another $250 for us. I am also aware enough to separate the charities and causes from the organizers of these events. And yes, I do give to these charities but don't participate.
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Originally Posted by rollin View Post
Nobody's asking him to "pay" $250 - they're asking him to "raise" $250.
There is a difference? Around here, if I hit up 5 people for fifty bucks each, then those five people come back at me every time one of thier kids has to sell something for school, scouts, whatever. That $250 will cost me $500 easy!
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And my last thought...
four pages of posts, not one person asked for a link to the charity ride in question? Just to see how obscure the terms really were???

edit: D'oh. Post 37 already called BS and asked for a link!

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Originally Posted by rollin View Post
Consider it a $50 contribution to the cause and move on.
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He should consider his $50 a contribution and leave it way that.
yes.
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Old 10-08-11, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Hot Potato View Post
And my last thought...
four pages of posts, not one person asked for a link to the charity ride in question? Just to see how obscure the terms really were???
+1.

Show us your link, OP
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Originally Posted by rollin View Post
yes.
no.

there really isn't any reason why he should not participate in the event. It's just a road, it's a man and his bike that is $50 lighter...he should ride, and should he feel compelled to donate more after the event, then so be it.
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Originally Posted by Hot Potato View Post
And my last thought...
four pages of posts, not one person asked for a link to the charity ride in question? Just to see how obscure the terms really were???
It's trivial to find given the information (date, place, cost) in the original post.
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Originally Posted by prathmann View Post
It's trivial to find given the information (date, place, cost) in the original post.
I disagree. The OP from "hill country Texas" states "weekend after next" on 10/6/2011 post. I will assume that is October 15 or 16, 2011. Fifty dollar registration, another $250 after he pays and gets an email. If you Google "charity ride Texas 2011," a local bike club has a page with two events that weekend. One is a chamber of commerce event with a $30 entry fee with no fundraising. And the other is.............

Bike MS: Valero! Which does happen to ask for $50 upfront and $250 later.

Sorry, but the Bike MS organization does not make it hard to realize your obligations. Its right there under "registration fee." Not obscure at all. So unless there is some other charity ride in Texas next weekend, which I would like to see a link to, then I call BS on the OP's assertion that he was duped.

Here's the link to Bike MS Valero: see if you have any trouble.
https://main.nationalmssociety.org/si...ry&fr_id=16949

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Originally Posted by Hot Potato View Post
I disagree. The OP from "hill country Texas" states "weekend after next" on 10/6/2011 post. I will assume that is October 15 or 16, 2011. Fifty dollar registration, another $250 after he pays and gets an email. If you Google "charity ride Texas 2011," a local bike club has a page with two events that weekend. One is a chamber of commerce event with a $30 entry fee with no fundraising. And the other is.............

Bike MS: Valero! Which does happen to ask for $50 upfront and $250 later.

Sorry, but the Bike MS organization does not make it hard to realize your obligations. Its right there under "registration fee." Not obscure at all. So unless there is some other charity ride in Texas next weekend, which I would like to see a link to, then I call BS on the OP's assertion that he was duped.

Here's the link to Bike MS Valero: see if you have any trouble.
https://main.nationalmssociety.org/si...ry&fr_id=16949
agreed...it actually says fundraising minimum 300...id guess thats not including the 50..
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That is the only obscure thing about Bike MS. That your fifty bucks registration counts towards your $300 minimum. Not stated anywhere, you just figure it out when they say you only have $250 left.
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Originally Posted by DropDeadFred View Post
no.

there really isn't any reason why he should not participate in the event. It's just a road, it's a man and his bike that is $50 lighter...he should ride, and should he feel compelled to donate more after the event, then so be it.
There are many lessons in life. This one was relatively cheap and the money goes to a good cause.
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
???

Lots of bike clubs run organized rides with ~$30-50 fees. Those rides, though, aren't "charity" (fund raising for a cause) rides.
And.... lots of charity rides have fees of $30-50 and still manage to raise money for charity. It all depends on how it's structured. On some rides, the organizers pay for the food at the rest stops; at others, they solicit groups to "sponsor" rest stops, at no cost to the organizers. If all of the goods & services needed to organize the ride are donated, you can raise $30,000 for a charity by charging $30 per rider if you get a thousand riders.
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These sorts of rides are typical run this way and they've been run this way for years.
There are many ways charity rides are run. You are apparently not an authority on the subject, since you aren't aware of this.
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Originally Posted by DropDeadFred View Post
no.

there really isn't any reason why he should not participate in the event. It's just a road, it's a man and his bike that is $50 lighter...he should ride, and should he feel compelled to donate more after the event, then so be it.
There is a reason, they organized a ride, he didn't read the rules.

Sure go and ride. There are plenty of of roads to ride on.
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I might start a class action over charities misleading people and forcing them into donating. It's FRAUD.
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And.... lots of charity rides have fees of $30-50 and still manage to raise money for charity. It all depends on how it's structured. On some rides, the organizers pay for the food at the rest stops; at others, they solicit groups to "sponsor" rest stops, at no cost to the organizers. If all of the goods & services needed to organize the ride are donated, you can raise $30,000 for a charity by charging $30 per rider if you get a thousand riders.
Not when put into practice you can't. Simple math doesn't apply to large ride logistics. There are costs involved.
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