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Yet another Newbie Wheel Upgrade Question/Thread

Old 10-07-11, 07:37 AM
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Yet another Newbie Wheel Upgrade Question/Thread

Hi all,
Iíve gotten myself neck deep in wheel information I really donít have a firm grasp on, and am looking for any advice. I recently returned to road biking after a 20 year hiatus. This summer, I got a Litespeed M1 from Competitive Cyclist. When I purchased it, I didnít upgrade the wheels from the stock Mavic Askiums.
Iím riding about 90-100 miles per weekend, with a group where we average about 17 mph. Iím in Boston, so relatively flat. Iíd like to upgrade my wheelset. Iím about 190-195 pounds, so I need a bit more support.
When I first started thinking about this, all I knew is that I wanted lighter. Now, after a bunch of research, I realize I want lighter, but also better. Lighter I can quantify, itís the better part thatís still a bit of a mystery.
Iíve been watching craigslist and ebay for a set of Ksyrium SLís. The going rate seems to be about $550 for a decent used set. Then I just missed out on a used set of Williams 30xís. When I researched the Williams, I got a flood Ė Williams, Soul, Boyd, Revolution, November, and Psimet.
So, I can definitely get a superb set of wheels for the $550 budget I had in mind. Iíve e-mailed with Psimet, and heís recommending that I go with a build with XR-300 rims, White Ind. H3/H2 hubs, and 24/28 spoke count. This seems great to me, but the weight is coming in at about 1630. (heís also suggesting a lower quality Bitex hub for less weight, but he recommends the better quality White Ind.).
Iím inclined to go with Psimet, I can only find good things about. Some of the other lower weight options offer the White Ind. Hubs as an ďupgradeĒ at a decent cost. My question is how much better the White Ind. Hubs would be, and if they justify getting a wheelset that will be 100-150 grams heavier. Again, I can understand ďlighter is better,Ē just not sure that I can fully grasp ďbetter is better.Ē Should I consider other options (Soul 3.0, Rol, etc.)? Should I consider the Bitex hubs?
One final note, Psimet has been TERRIFIC in communicating with me. He answered my initial quote request within a few hours, and has also quickly responded to several follow-up e-mails. So, Iíve only VERY positive things to say.
Thanks,
Bryan
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Psimet is recommending a nice wheelset that will last you a longgggg time. I don't think you'll notice the weight difference; especially since you're not grinding up big extended climbs. I'm betting you'll like the feel, performance, and no-nonsense durability of the slightly heavier recommendation. Either one is a nice wheel however. +

"Follow the force Luke..." In other words, go with someone you like and then trust them.

Good luck with your new wheels!
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I have the same bike and had CC put Mavic Ksyrium Elite wheels on it which cost me an extra $400. I weigh 175 pounds. I did the same research you did and chose my wheels because of my riding conditions. I ride for fitness every morning in my neighborhood, which has about 1/3 cobblestone roads. They aren't near as rough as Paris-Roubaix, but it's not smooth. I wanted the lightest wheels I could get with very high durability at my weight. Another advantage to Mavic is that if you buy them new you can pay another 8% of MSRP for their MP3 program, a 2 year unconditional damage warranty. Hit a curb or pothole? Covered. Hit by a car? Covered. Run it over with your own car? Covered.


Anyway, I think of Boston as having occasional potholes, especially in the Spring after snowplows in the Winter. I would be cautious about going with too fragile of a wheel at 195 pounds, if you will be exposed to some road craters.

I have confidence that Psimet has sized up your requirements appropriately and his wheels will be a good choice. I would select the better hub of the two he is offering.

You can also work with Boyd or Williams to select one of their existing (not fully custom like Psimet) wheelsets that are optimized for you. Since I just bought Boyd wheels for my wife, I know that he has cutoffs at 185 pounds for his lightest wheels but has options for over that weight.

I wouldn't buy Soul for a number of reasons I won't get into here.

Otherwise, I think you've got some good options with custom / limited production wheels as well as mainstream brands. Besides Mavic I would look at Shimano.
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www.bicyclewheelwarehouse.com

https://bicyclewheelwarehouse.com/roa...-/prod_34.html

Look around the site for good deals.
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You are running with a group, this is correct? Do you race? Are you planning on racing?
If you are not racing/competing for money, glory, etc...you are over thinking your wheels. You were given a recommendation by Psimet in accordance to your perceived need/want. Go with it.
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Thanks to all for their thoughts so far. Sounds like I am overthinking this a bit (but isn't that what internet forums are for?). Psimet seems to be the way to go, now I just have to cough up the cash and sit back and wait.
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Just don't set your expectations too high. They will be better and lighter, but it won't be dramatic unless you are highly aware of the bike underneath you.

And that's why I would get good hubs. Rolling better will be a big part of the upgrade. The Aksium has a fairly humble hub.
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For 1480g and $485 check these out...

https://www.novemberbicycles.com/fsw-23/
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Psimet's recommendations are solid. I'd go with him. As for the Ksyrium's, the SL's are a little lighter than the Elites but you can get the Elites new for $550 or less. I paid $389 for mine. So if you want the Mavic's, get them new.
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Psimet is right on. I'm actually in the process of selling all my Mavic wheels. I had a set of HED C2 rims built up last year and can't believe the difference in the ride quality - Mavic blows (compared to handbuilt).

Since then I'm building up my own wheels and going with Kinlin XR270 rims 24/28 for 2 sets. One set will have Bitex hubs and the other will have Bitex in the front and a Powertap in the rear. The powertap wheelset is built with DT competition spokes and the other set will be built with lighter spokes to hit around 1500g. I think the powertap wheelset is 1850g.
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Thanks all for the replies. Looks like Psimet is the way to go. I just sent him an e-mail asking about maybe going with a lighter spoke, what the advantages would be for that.
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Lighter spokes will most likely add flex to the wheels at your weight, which may not be what you desire. Unfortunately, at 190-195, you have limited options as far as weight goes unless you make the spending jump for carbon or possibly CX-Ray spokes. You might also be able to keep stiffness with a 28/32 combo and light spokes, but Psimet can answer that one better. The cheaper hubs will save you weight, but you might want to consider the fact that you may have to get them rebuilt depending on mileage.

For me, the bitex decision was made because the powertap took a lot of my coin, frankly, and also it would be bearing the brunt of my training weight as well. The other set will be used sparingly and mostly for hilly races and rides, hence durability figured less in the decision.
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Thank eippo1, all of this information is really helping me get a better grasp on what's going on with all of this. It's also just making it more and more clear that I should trust Psimet and let him do his thing.
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That you should.

Lots of people race on Mavic Ksyrium wheels. They are built for hard racing, not the lightest, and very stiff. Any wheel that's radial front and radial/2x rear with a low count of fat bladed spokes is not going to have plush ride quality.
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How are the wheels over at bicyclewheelwarehouse.com compared to Boyd, Soul, November, etc?
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