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Old 10-08-11, 01:10 AM
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Bike Upgrade Advice

Hi Everyone,
I'm looking to upgrade to a new bike. I had my bike stolen and bought one on craigslist in a hurry because i depend on my bike to get to work. It's a bianchi brava 2005. I actually just really don't like it. It's a little short for me is one issue but also I'm just not a big fan of anything about it. I wouldn't have bought it had time not been an issue.

Anyway, I'm looking to upgrade to a better bike. I plan on using it for recreational rides and also some triathlons. I don't think that it's necessary for me to get ultegra level components. It sounds like 105 are very similar but just heavier, which I'm OK with. I would prefer the smoothness of 105 components over tiagra components though, which is what I currently have.

Anyway, my bike that was stolen was a motobecane from bikes direct. I was really happy with the quality and don't want to start a pro versus anti- bikesdirect discussion, just would like some feedbakc on a couple of the options they offer.

These are the ones I'm considering (shooting for between 700 and 1000)

http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...sprint_xii.htm
-$900
-mixed tiagra and 105 components
-carbon fork/ seatstays
-XRP pro wheelset (debatable if that's a real perk?)

http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...pro30_gray.htm
-carbon fork, aluminum body
-$900
-ultegra components
-FSA crankset (I'm looking for feedback on this, what do you guys think of that?)
-the frame looks like a weird shape, but maybe i'm nuts
-they have the "comp30" for $100 less with all ultegra parts swapped with 105, which i'm fine with but for only $100 more seems like you'd go ultegra...

http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/windsor/fens_xi.htm
-105 components
-FSA vera crankset
-carbon fork/post
-aluminum body
-$750


Any recommendations between these bikes? Again, don't want reviews on bikes direct specifically just based on specs of given bikes. Thanks a lot for any suggestions!
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Old 10-08-11, 01:34 AM
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get the Windsor, because it got FREE Clipless Road Pedals. lol..
nor seriously, I think windsor has the best components of these three.

if your lucky, maybe you can try the three of them and compare.... you prolly have a better judgement which feels better for you.
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Originally Posted by pepsi4all View Post
get the Windsor, because it got FREE Clipless Road Pedals. lol..
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Hahaha i know right. It's ridiculous that they keep trying to get you with that especially since they have the same message on like $3,500 bikes. Yes, they're dumping $3500 on a bike but will make the decision based on if it comes with free unnamed clipless pedals hahaha.

Anyway, thanks. Windsor does look nicest but doubt i'll be able to find any to try out. Main problem with bikesdirect for sure
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here, this is cheaper same brand.....http://www.ebay.com/sch/sprtymama/m.....c0.m270.l1313
or NEW CARBON SILVER SHIMANO 30 Speed Road Bike 50cm
check what the guys is selling... much cheaper than the bike direct.
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looks good i'll keep an eye on that seller but all frame sizes there are too small for me, i'm 6'
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Originally Posted by pepsi4all View Post
here, this is cheaper same brand.....http://www.ebay.com/sch/sprtymama/m.....c0.m270.l1313
or NEW CARBON SILVER SHIMANO 30 Speed Road Bike 50cm
check what the guys is selling... much cheaper than the bike direct.
sprtymama IS bikesdirect...
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interesting, but fact remains that for some reason the ones she had on ebay were lower cost. Maybe she had an excess of some sizes or something.
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good to know.
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if I was gonna get a bike I was gonna ride a lot - like almost everyday - 5 days or more a week. wheels, wheels, wheels...
Vuelta wheels don;t go the distance - for me
alex rims most certainly don't go the distance...

alu is fine - I have a couple
but CF is preferred
I'd sooner get a nice condition used bike of good stuff than a new bike with very marginal wheels.
I'd sooner put in $300-400-500 more for the better stuff/bike.
like
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-SPECIAL...item20bd4401ad
BING!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORBEA-ONIX-5...item43aa18942b

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2008-Tommaso...item4aaf7d24b5
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Buy a full Utegra bike of some kind. Tiagra to 105 isn't a huge upgrade.

This one would be my choice:
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...e/sprint_x.htm

Motobecanes are made in Taiwan. I think the others are made in China.
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twodownzero, I think I'm going to go for a full ultegra like you said. I'm actually very interested in this one, if you get a chance, can you give me thoughts before it ends? The saddle is brooks which is nice but not a selling point for me necessarily. My main purpose in bike training is to get in shape and I enjoy it, and to prepare for triathlons so I like that this is a tri bike. I understand tri and road bikes are different and it's weird to be in the market for either, but I've ridden both and am comfortable riding either of them. Right now I only do sprint triathlons, for longer ones the tri bike might be nice. Anyway, the all ultegra components are a nice perk.

At cyclazen, I appreciate your points and would be willing to look at upgrading tires in the near future. My experience with buying bigger named bikes in the past was that I spent a whole lot more than my previous motobecane and didnt' reap the benefits. For about the same price I got very mediocre components, used condition and a nice name written on the side. The specialized you linked to sold for $1,300. I'd rather get a 2011 full ultegra aluminum bike for $500 than a bike with the same components that's been used for 5 years just because the tires are nicer for $800 more. Also, for me, carbon fiber is not a huge selling point.

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Get a bike with a triple on the front.

Carbon bikes are significantly lighter and a huge selling point, but if used, you don't know the condition of the frame and it could be a disaster.

I think you'd be making a mistake spending $5-600 on that bike you linked to rather than spending $900-1100 on a brand new aluminum full Ultegra bike.

When it comes to purchases this big, I try to be more careful. I am riding a Motobecane Vent Noir now and it's an awesome bike for $700, but if I'd spent just a few bucks more, I could have saved a few pounds in weight for not much money.

I don't think it's weird to be in the market for both tri bikes and/or road bikes, considering one of my friends rode in a triathalon on a cyclocross bike. Just ride whatever you'll spend the most time on.

If you take nothing away from what I say, get a bit nicer bike than what you thought you wanted. It'll give you plenty to appreciate when you grow into it.
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Originally Posted by twodownzero View Post
Get a bike with a triple on the front.
If you take nothing away from what I say, get a bit nicer bike than what you thought you wanted. It'll give you plenty to appreciate when you grow into it.
Sorry if I came across as argumentative, wouldn't have posted here if I didn't want advice. Your advice definitely makes sense to me and I'll look for something along those lines. Probably sticking to aluminum for now with higher end components and I'll try and shed some weight off the rider But will look for carbon fiber for my next bike down the road. Will look for a bike with a triple for sure. Thanks again
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Your advice definitely makes sense to me and I'll look for something along those lines. Probably sticking to aluminum for now with higher end components and I'll try and shed some weight off the rider But will look for carbon fiber for my next bike down the road. Will look for a bike with a triple for sure. Thanks again
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Hi Ben,
After reading your posts I have a few suggestions:

1. Buy the best bike you can afford, it is very expensive to upgrade later.
2. Consider getting a Tri bike for both Road and TT events (see above).
3. Both a Triple Crank and a Compact Double (34/50T) will work well.

Here is a list of the full range of Tri bikes at BD:
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/tri_bikes.htm

Here is a good entry level Tri bike
Shimano Dura-Ace/105, 18 Speed Triathlon Time Trial 2012 Nemesis $995
Full Aero Frame and Carbon Fork, Carbon Post, FSA Cranks, Shimano AeroSection Wheels
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...nemesis_xi.htm

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Originally Posted by benjamindgrant View Post
Sorry if I came across as argumentative, wouldn't have posted here if I didn't want advice. Your advice definitely makes sense to me and I'll look for something along those lines. Probably sticking to aluminum for now with higher end components and I'll try and shed some weight off the rider But will look for carbon fiber for my next bike down the road. Will look for a bike with a triple for sure. Thanks again
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Oh no worries.

I disagree with those who think a compact double is sufficient. Maybe I'm weak but I like having a broader range of gearing. You're spending a big chunk of coin and a triple makes it much more useful. I understand that there's quite a bit of intersection between the rings, but I've found them even more useful than I thought.

Something like the Knight or Sprint that I linked to are excellent choices in your price range.

Tri bikes are speed machines and are great for their purpose, but if you really want a bike for racing once in a while + lots of road use, a regular road bike seems to make more sense to me.
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Look at the BikesDirect Apex bikes as well. As good as having a triple with less weight.

http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...rk_xi_apex.htm

http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...strada_xii.htm


Also, Vuelta makes good wheels.

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If you are doing triathlons you will either need a TT bike or clipon aerobars.

If most of your riding is road I would get a road bike and clipon aerobars.

I also would suggest Apex-equipped bikes. You don't need a triple when you have 34/32 granny gear.
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Thanks again to everyone for the sound advice. The one thing to note about triple versus double debate is I live in Houston and the highest hill is probably 10 feet. That's not to say that a triple is useless just saying that it might be less valuable than in a hillier terrain.

It seems everyone is leaning towards road bike + clipon aerobars. Is that just because it's annoying to ride around with aerobars permanently? Also, if I get a bike I'm totally happy with except the wheels, could you offer some wheel choices that could be found (e.g. on ebay) for <= $200 (I really don't have a good sense of this, so if that price limit would likely lead to worse wheels than stock wheels, then please correct me).
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Originally Posted by sced View Post
Look at the BikesDirect Apex bikes as well. As good as having a triple with less weight.

http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...rk_xi_apex.htm

http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...strada_xii.htm


Also, Vuelta makes good wheels.
Cyclezen (abovce) disagrees but looking at reviews on various places it seems like a lot of people like them quite a bit. I'll keep that in mind.
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Originally Posted by benjamindgrant View Post
Also, if I get a bike I'm totally happy with except the wheels, could you offer some wheel choices that could be found (e.g. on ebay) for <= $200 (I really don't have a good sense of this, so if that price limit would likely lead to worse wheels than stock wheels, then please correct me).
At your level, it's going to cost a lot more than that to score a lighter/better wheel set.
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Also, Vuelta makes good wheels.
I concur. My Vuelta XRP Team SL wheels are fantastic. Light, sturdy, and have held true over the past year and several thousand miles.
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Cyclezen (abovce) disagrees but looking at reviews on various places it seems like a lot of people like them quite a bit. I'll keep that in mind.
hey, my opinion, that's all...
Over the past fews seasons I've tried a bunch of cheaper wheelsets, both for inclement winter riding (we've had some consistent winter rains over the past 6 yrs here in SOCal) and for general weekday training sessions.
The vueltas I bought barely held true for 500 miles and after that required constant attention - it could have been the spokes, but even after some serious truing stand time, they just didn't cooperate. onto ebay, cheap, gone...
The Spec Roubaix I bought came with A-Class (alex) wheels - even worse than the Vueltas - they were awful.
On the other hand, the PerfBike Titans have required no care - ride a bit 'heavy' - and now have about 6k miles, run smooth, go well in the wet and are hard to fault as a cheepie wheelset.
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http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...intour_xii.htm

You're paying $100 more for what's essentially the same bike in the first link and going from tiagra shifters to ultegra.

Also, I was pleasantly surprised with the 105 pedals the last bike I ordered from bd shipped with.
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cyclezen, again, didn't mean to come off as critical although my quote seems kind of obnoxious. It's good to hear multiple sides. I agree with you on alex-rims for the record (never true). The titans do get really good reviews - 4.5 stars or so. They're heavy as you said but all tires in that price range are, correct?
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Originally Posted by benjamindgrant View Post
cyclezen, again, didn't mean to come off as critical although my quote seems kind of obnoxious. It's good to hear multiple sides. I agree with you on alex-rims for the record (never true). The titans do get really good reviews - 4.5 stars or so. They're heavy as you said but all tires in that price range are, correct?
no worries, I didn;t take it as too critical nor obnoxious
you asked Q, we give opinions, limited by our experiences - there are no absolutes
I just restated that its clear my opinion is only an opinion, merit of which dependz...
I've rethought a lot of things, based on readin I do here and other places.
i.e. - we're talkin wheels - based on some reading I've done, I did a quick search here on 23 mm rims; did a search on the interweb. Seemed interesting enough for me to experiment with...
not a cheap experiment considering the only real availability in 23mm rim wheels are velocities at $400+ and further up for HEDS.
But hey, I'm good with 'upgraditis', otherwise I might stiil be pluggin along on the PX10 I got in '70...
Turns out I luv 23mm rim'd wheels - so much that all my wheels will be 23mm within the next year (with 2 exceptions...) and I've way over provisioned in wheelsets...
some people spend money on cars, petrol, movies, expensive womenses, ipads, etc.
I spend on ski/outdoor stuff, books and cycling crap (and the occasional fine food, wine and brewski). as for womenses, the ones I find attractive are usually in a similar frame of mind and not any more maintenance than I might be
back to bikes
Tri/TT bikes are very specific machines (I just got one soz I can give TT a honest shot next season...) I personally would find it less fun to ride one daily, as compared to a versatile road machine. Lotta Trigeeks seem to do good bike splits on a nice road machine set up with some clipons and a forward seatpost...
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