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Old 10-09-11, 11:38 PM
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So I put on a SRAM Red FD and...

it works fine...

I've had this derailleur sitting in my drawer for months. With all the fuss over the functionality of the Ti cage...I figured I would give it a shot.

Replaced the Force derailleur that was on there. Seems to work fine for me. Put 75 miles on it this weekend and it didn't miss a beat. I don't have a barrel adjuster either.

I also went to CicLAvia today...and there was ton of starting and stopping. I shifted the front alot...and no issues.

One thing that I did notice is that if I'm crossed in the 53/26, I do get some rubbing on the inner plate that I did not have on the Force. Fixed by using the trim.

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Old 10-10-11, 12:41 AM
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You needed to shift the front for Ciclavia?!?!
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This can't end well.
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SRAM red isn't the greatest for handling shifts under load. If you're the type of person that lets up on the power during shifts, you'll be fine.
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yea, the problems don't happen with the FD most of the time. if you're shifting from the large chainring to the small while putting lots of pressure on the chain, you can make the cage deform a little and possibly drop the chain. i've never been in a situation where i couldn't anticipate the hill at least a little bit in advance
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Been on SRAM Red for 3 years now and never understood the complaining about the FD. Its never been an issue.
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Old 10-10-11, 07:04 AM
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Mine works fine with QRings too!
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Originally Posted by JonnyV View Post
Been on SRAM Red for 3 years now and never understood the complaining about the FD. Its never been an issue.
i've never had it happen to me either. but you can see how it's possible: if the Red cage has even a little bit more flex than the Force cage, and someone shifts under load, the red might drop the chain in a situation where the Force cage might just barely hold it.
also, the fact that a pro rider is able to bend a piece of equipment does not mean that it's crap.

but remember, this is the internet. so if it happens at all, through the game of telephone it becomes "SRAM FD SUX". thats why i advocate that we not be hyperbolic with these things, since some people might take it as gospel.
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still dont know what "trim" means after googling and searching.. what is it, in layman's terms? and how do you do it?
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Originally Posted by d8168055 View Post
still dont know what "trim" means after googling and searching.
Yet another 41 Hanging Curve.

I'll take this one for the team, but this is getting a little ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by Inertianinja View Post
i've never had it happen to me either. but you can see how it's possible: if the Red cage has even a little bit more flex than the Force cage, and someone shifts under load, the red might drop the chain in a situation where the Force cage might just barely hold it.
also, the fact that a pro rider is able to bend a piece of equipment does not mean that it's crap.

but remember, this is the internet. so if it happens at all, through the game of telephone it becomes "SRAM FD SUX". thats why i advocate that we not be hyperbolic with these things, since some people might take it as gospel.
Yeah, in fact I can usually tell which customers have been hanging out here. It's pretty funny, actually. Like dogs barking in the backyard.
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Yeah, in fact I can usually tell which customers have been hanging out here. It's pretty funny, actually. Like dogs barking in the backyard.
Don't you have a Tea Party Seance to attend?
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Originally Posted by JonnyV View Post
Been on SRAM Red for 3 years now and never understood the complaining about the FD. Its never been an issue.
It's a complex piece of equipment apparently requiring much skill to operate. Or you can get a battery operated machine to do it for you.
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Originally Posted by d8168055 View Post
still dont know what "trim" means after googling and searching.. what is it, in layman's terms? and how do you do it?
You ask the barber to touch up your well coiffed pompadour, cleaning up the sideburns and neck area to look "fresh 2 def" for "da laydeez".
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior View Post
It's a complex piece of equipment apparently requiring much skill to operate. Or you can get a battery operated machine to do it for you.
Too much skill to operate? Nah. Too much time, energy, frustration, trial, and error to set up properly to achieve even half-way decent shifting? Most definitely. I'll take the battery operated machine any day.
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Too much skill to operate? Nah. Too much time, energy, frustration, trial, and error to set up properly to achieve even half-way decent shifting? Most definitely. I'll take the battery operated machine any day.
Not if you know what you are doing.
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
Don't you have a Tea Party Seance to attend?
I'm spreading the wealth.

BTW...I see 700 were arrested in the Occupy deal, note zero were arrested in the TP event in Washington. They even picked up their own trash. But I did see people taking a dump next to police cars in New Yawk...how nice.

I guess you all are on the same side. Okey dokey.
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior View Post
Not if you know what you are doing.
My offer to buy you guys a beer still stands. Bring any Red front derailleur over to my place and install it on my 595 just as someone who "knows what they are doing" might. I'll buy you a beer and lunch if you can get it to shift properly.

This has been covered over and over and over again (especially by me), so I'll just say one thing and leave the discussion. SRAM front shifting is finicky and the derailleurs are very sensitive to adjustment. They simply don't cooperate with some bikes (particularly those with internal cable routing) and no matter how much you think you know what you're doing or how perfect you set it up, the front shifting will still suck. If you have a SRAM FD working on your bike, that's great for you, but that doesn't take away from the fact that they are still inferior to Shimano's FDs.
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Originally Posted by ilovecycling View Post
My offer to buy you guys a beer still stands. Bring any Red front derailleur over to my place and install it on my 595 just as someone who "knows what they are doing" might. I'll buy you a beer and lunch if you can get it to shift properly.

This has been covered over and over and over again (especially by me), so I'll just say one thing and leave the discussion. SRAM front shifting is finicky and the derailleurs are very sensitive to adjustment. They simply don't cooperate with some bikes (particularly those with internal cable routing) and no matter how much you think you know what you're doing or how perfect you set it up, the front shifting will still suck. If you have a SRAM FD working on your bike, that's great for you, but that doesn't take away from the fact that they are still inferior to Shimano's FDs.
Beer and a plane ticket and a hotel and several steak dinners and...as I am pretty certain you are not in my neighborhood. Not that it matters or I really care....
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Originally Posted by d8168055 View Post
still dont know what "trim" means after googling and searching.. what is it, in layman's terms? and how do you do it?
How hard did you try ? http://tinyurl.com/3emmgph

Similar to other English uses of the word, in this case it means make a fine-tuning type adjustment with your shifter while riding so the chain doesn't rub.
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Originally Posted by ilovecycling View Post
Too much skill to operate? Nah. Too much time, energy, frustration, trial, and error to set up properly to achieve even half-way decent shifting? Most definitely. I'll take the battery operated machine any day.
Hahaha ... just because you aren't good at setting up derailleurs doesn't mean the rest of the world is too.
I have literally taken my Ultegra 6700 derailleurs out of the box ... put them on ... tightened the cables ... adjusted them for about 20 seconds each ... and have been riding flawlesly with them for about 1000 miles now.
No joke.
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Originally Posted by ilovecycling View Post
Too much skill to operate? Nah. Too much time, energy, frustration, trial, and error to set up properly to achieve even half-way decent shifting? Most definitely. I'll take the battery operated machine any day.
You're doing it wrong.
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Originally Posted by ilovecycling View Post
My offer to buy you guys a beer still stands. Bring any Red front derailleur over to my place and install it on my 595 just as someone who "knows what they are doing" might. I'll buy you a beer and lunch if you can get it to shift properly.

This has been covered over and over and over again (especially by me), so I'll just say one thing and leave the discussion. SRAM front shifting is finicky and the derailleurs are very sensitive to adjustment. They simply don't cooperate with some bikes (particularly those with internal cable routing) and no matter how much you think you know what you're doing or how perfect you set it up, the front shifting will still suck. If you have a SRAM FD working on your bike, that's great for you, but that doesn't take away from the fact that they are still inferior to Shimano's FDs.
I would love to take you up on that offer. Two bikes with internal routing and *no FD barrel adjusters* and I've never had a problem. I am not a mechanic, I just follow the directions on YouTube.com/sramtech
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I have both Red and Force FDs and switched them out back and forth on my bike. The Red is currently a box on a shelf...where it will stay.
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Both Force and Red work on my bike, identically -- with no issues.
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