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puncture resistant; schmuncture resistant..

Old 10-10-11, 04:41 PM
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puncture resistant; schmuncture resistant..

After getting flats once or twice a week on my old, worn Borough CX tires, I decided to drop $150 on a pair of the puncture resistant version of the same tire: The Borough CX armadillo Elite. Here's my first week report:

Day 1: less than a mile from my house got puncture a glass shard flat through the shoulder knobs while banking in a turn.

Day 2: about 2 miles out got another flat from a shard of glass through the other shoulder of the same tire (rear)

Day 3: flat from a Steel sliver (thickness of a thick staple) through the center of the Kevlar belt

Day 4: Half mile out got a a shard through the shoulder knob again- changed the tire and went straight to the bike shop to get another tube. Left the shop, 3 miles later.. guess what? another puncture flat. Not sure what did it this time- must have stayed on the road.

Now I'm trying to be reasonable. the old non-puncture resistant tires lasted for 4 years without too many flats and then only got worse after thousands of mileswhen the tread was paper thin. These new supposedly "puncture-resist" tires have gotten flats every single day out..

I am really getting pissed now. Is this just bad luck or is this a lemon tire? Does anyone have any experience with it?
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Old 10-10-11, 04:46 PM
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bummer. honestly, though, i doubt there's any tire that will stop shards of glass and steel if they hit it in the right way.

but where the heck do you ride? i've literally never gotten a puncture flat, and i've ridden on some crappy roads in NJ, MA, NH...

EDIT: man, i just realized you never ever say that. now i jinxed myself...i'll probably get one tomorrow.

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Old 10-10-11, 04:47 PM
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just bad luck
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Old 10-10-11, 04:51 PM
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**** happens. I got a flat the first day out with a new Gatorskin
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Old 10-10-11, 04:57 PM
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bad luck

I got some new really good michelin krylions, rode for a week, loved it.
Got a flat almost everyday on week 2
Apperently it was all pinch flats, so i was really careful in mounting after my 4th flat, and used only my hands.
Now, several weeks later, no more flats

This probably wont help you as you found out what caused you flats but be careful when using levers. Some tires/tubes/wheels are extra sensetive
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Old 10-10-11, 04:59 PM
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I just moved to Toms River NJ from South Orange in north Jersey, and aside from a lot more sand on the road, I wasn't expecting the amount of broken glass and debris. The roads are actually better paved down here, (probably because it doesn't get as much snow and ice) but I have never gotten this many puncture flats before. Especially in a puncture resistant tire.

Well, its only the first week but 5 flats in 4 days is ridiculous for any tire.
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Old 10-10-11, 06:13 PM
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Bad luck. There is a ton of s---t on the roads in urban NJ. I don't ride my road bike in the South Bronx, Brooklyn or daggier parts of Manhattan. The chances of catching some metal, glass or other is too high. I take my MTB to these areas and haven't had a flat yet. Knobby tires seem to help. I have been riding some MTB slicks which are thicker than all get out too and they haven't blown....yet.
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1 or 2 flats per week???

I get a flat per season more or less, sometimes 2. Dont ride a huge amount (2-3000km per year) but it is mostly all in a city.

seriously, you must be riding through some pretty crappy areas with so much glass.

as for crap luck, I got some new Schwalbe Marathons for my mtn bike earlier this summer and the second day, bang, a 2 1/2 inch nail got thrown up by the front tire and it embedded itself into the rear, only good thing that it just made a puncture hole, not a tear--so go figure, bad luck happens. (but the number of flats you get is pretty darn high)
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clearly the OP has offended the cycling gods in some way. go sacrifice a chicken.
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given his track record, I'd play it safe and go with a goat
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Had one flat on the stock Specialized tires that came with my bike. HUGE random whole in the sidewall... LBS even told me to avoid Specialized tires. Went tubeless, 0 flats in 2 years (and I know saying that usually jinxes a person, but I have been saying it, and never had a flat still).

Still, that is some SERIOUSLY bad luck, unless that tire was made from glass shards...
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Old 10-10-11, 08:32 PM
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Heh, I should probably also mention that I am a larger rider: 6'-3" @ 220#
The 1-2 flats per week only started happening after I had worn holes and thin patches in the tires so that I was getting tube blow-outs when I hit a pothole or something. Normally a get a flat anywheres from once every couple of weeks to once a month or even longer. And those tended to be slow leeks that I could pump up on the road and patch or replace when I get home. These daily flats have been puncture flats with things sticking through the tire.

It was actually more urban in North Jersey but down here has these awful strip mall highways with months of unswept nuts & bolts, metallic automotive debris and broken glass along the shoulder. Not to mention teenagers screaming "******bag" or "****" or "dork" every time they speed past in their parents cars. It's like "Mall Rats" on roads down here. I miss my north Jersey.
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Talk to Tony Soprano about getting the roads cleaned?
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I was on the website for Hutchinson tires last night. They have a Serenity tire that is completely puncture proof. I know nothing about it other than the little video that you can watch.

I'm assuming it's not a real performance tire. I use tubeless, and have had one flat in about 8,000 miles. (I don't ride in the city, however.)

You might try running your tires with less pressure.
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Yeah, I really don't want a tubeless tire considering how often I get flats. I actually have changing tires down to science now. I'm like a pit chief out there.
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Note to self: Do *not* wheel-suck this guy!
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Originally Posted by 10 Wheels View Post
just bad luck
Maybe. Two other possibilities: 1. He might not be looking far enough ahead to avoid debris. 2. He's riding too close to the gutter.
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Yeah, I really don't want a tubeless tire considering how often I get flats. I actually have changing tires down to science now. I'm like a pit chief out there.
not sure if you're just in the dumps, or are serious...

but tubeless has sealant that will take care of most small punctures, possibly even those slivers of metal. (doubt the glass, though.) if you do flat anyway, then you install a tube and ride home. plus stan's tubeless wheels are ridiculously light due to revised rim design... but I would probably just use my ksyrium elites, they don't have spokes through the rim.
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are you riding through a landfill? that's way too many flats.
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Bad luck! But I have bad luck as well (daily commuter) and have had by far and away the best luck with these babies:

http://bontrager.com/model/00443

Just for what it's worth. They're cheaper than a lot of other puncture-resistant tires I've tried as well which is an added bonus.
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not sure if you're just in the dumps, or are serious...

but tubeless has sealant that will take care of most small punctures, possibly even those slivers of metal. (doubt the glass, though.) if you do flat anyway, then you install a tube and ride home. plus stan's tubeless wheels are ridiculously light due to revised rim design... but I would probably just use my ksyrium elites, they don't have spokes through the rim.
I recently converted my back wheel to tubeless due to a rash of flats on an older tire. I just followed the directions on Stan's tubeless website and so far so good. I used their special 21mm rim tape and seated it with a short run using a tube, then set it up tubeless with a Hutchinson Fusion 3 tubeless tire and haven't looked back. I just need a good excuse to swap out my perfectly good front tire for a tubeless version.
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Maybe. Two other possibilities: 1. He might not be looking far enough ahead to avoid debris. 2. He's riding too close to the gutter.
That's true. And to add to that. When I'm unable to avoid a patch of glass, right after I usually try and run my hand quickly over the tire to knock off little shards of glass. I think that helps.
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Originally Posted by Shimagnolo View Post
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No, you definitely want to - he's like a debris magnet clearing the path ahead.

Sorry, sounds like some terrible bad luck. Even the worst tire wouldn't get that many flats in "normal" conditions.
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Originally Posted by steve_wmn View Post
I recently converted my back wheel to tubeless due to a rash of flats on an older tire. I just followed the directions on Stan's tubeless website and so far so good. I used their special 21mm rim tape and seated it with a short run using a tube, then set it up tubeless with a Hutchinson Fusion 3 tubeless tire and haven't looked back. I just need a good excuse to swap out my perfectly good front tire for a tubeless version.
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