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megamo 10-17-11 09:31 AM

Sram powerlock
 
I'm ordering a Sram 10 speed chain. On the Sram specification mentions "A new PowerLock must be used each time the chain is split". Is this really a must to change to a new one or I can reuse the powerlock.
Thanks

markrj 10-17-11 10:11 AM

When I built the CG2 with Force I re-used the PowerLock at least twice during my chain cutting. I cut it too long the first time. Used the Park Tool Master Link pliers to separate the link and just locked it back down after.

I have over 600 miles on it with no chain related issues. I check it weekly and it appears to be fine.

wkg 10-17-11 10:13 AM

My rule of thumb is that if you can lock/unlock the power lock by hand then you need to replace it. Sometimes this means every time you unlock it, sometimes it lasts for a couple.

Either way it only costs a few bucks.

d8168055 10-17-11 10:16 AM

So I took the chain apart w/ a chain breaker on a regular link. Did a century and the chain snapped 30 miles in. Lucky the SAG was only 2 miles away. So, dont break anything besides the PowerLink.

wkg 10-17-11 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by d8168055 (Post 13375695)
So I took the chain apart w/ a chain breaker on a regular link. Did a century and the chain snapped 30 miles in. Lucky the SAG was only 2 miles away. So, dont break anything besides the PowerLink.

Yeah that significantly weakens the chain. I would never take a chain apart with a chain tool and then reinstall it and use it on my bike.

banerjek 10-17-11 10:58 AM

This is why I use the Wipperman link. They cost too much, but they can be reused as well as easily removed/installed without tools.

Inertianinja 10-17-11 11:49 AM

I have reused them, but they definitely get looser (easier to open) with each re-use, and I also find that they get squeaky.

Pb_Okole 10-17-11 12:45 PM

It never ceases to amaze me where people will try to save a couple of bucks. Powerlinks are not designed to be broken once installed. They are relatively inexpensive and the chain, along with cranks and handlebars, is one place where possibly compromising reliability is a really bad idea. Breaking a chain mid-ride is at least inconvenient and could possibly result in a nasty crash. I suggest either buying another power link or getting a link that is designed to be used multiple times. Just because something CAN be done, doesn't mean it SHOULD be done.

ilovecycling 10-17-11 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by Pb_Okole (Post 13376464)
It never ceases to amaze me where people will try to save a couple of bucks. Powerlinks are not designed to be broken once installed. They are relatively inexpensive and the chain, along with cranks and handlebars, is one place where possibly compromising reliability is a really bad idea. Breaking a chain mid-ride is at least inconvenient and could possibly result in a nasty crash. I suggest either buying another power link or getting a link that is designed to be used multiple times. Just because something CAN be done, doesn't mean it SHOULD be done.

While this is solid advice from a safety perspective, at $6 from your LBS the Powerlock is not exactly inexpensive. For those of us that like to take the chain off completely to clean it thoroughly, $6 added to the already expensive chain degreaser starts to add up quickly.

I've said this around here before, but I really don't think reusing the Powerlock connector even a couple of times is going to hurt anything. Why would it? The chain tension keeps it in place the same way the reusuable Wipperman Connex link does. The outward force of the pins against the opposing side's outer plate is where the strength is necessary. It doesn't matter if the two sides can be squeezed together easier because under normal use the chain tension pulls them apart, not together. I don't recommend taking it off frequently, but 2-3 times over the lifetime of the chain isn't going to hurt anything. I still think SRAM only advises against this so they can make a few bucks each time a chain is broken. Well, there's that and the extra layer of legal protection.


So I took the chain apart w/ a chain breaker on a regular link. Did a century and the chain snapped 30 miles in. Lucky the SAG was only 2 miles away. So, dont break anything besides the PowerLink.
Was this on a SRAM chain or other?

ilovecycling 10-17-11 01:40 PM

While on the subject of breaking chains, what's the proper method of breaking a Shimano chain for a thorough cleaning? I have brief experience with Shimano chains, but I think I remember reading that once the connecting pin is riveted in place you can't remove it. I thought maybe you can push it all the way out and insert a new connecting pin, but I'm also remembering something about weakening the outer plates by removing the pin even once, meaning the chain cannot be reused once the connector pin is removed. What's the deal with that?

Shimagnolo 10-17-11 01:44 PM

To re-use a Powerlock:
1. Buy Park MPL-1 to open it.
2. Re-use link for the life of the chain.
3. Discard link when you discard the chain.

Pb_Okole 10-17-11 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by ilovecycling (Post 13376735)
While this is solid advice from a safety perspective, at $6 from your LBS the Powerlock is not exactly inexpensive. For those of us that like to take the chain off completely to clean it thoroughly, $6 added to the already expensive chain degreaser starts to add up quickly.

IF you had thoroughly read my post, I recommended getting a link that is meant to be taken on off more than once if you need to do so. Six dollars is a pretty paltry amount of money to pay when you consider the alternative should the link fail due to going against factory installation instructions. The anecdotal evidence of ten or twelve folks on the internet notwithstanding, I stand by my recommendation and the recommendation of the company that makes the chain.

As for taking off a chain to clean it, don't get me started...:rolleyes:

Pb_Okole 10-17-11 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by ilovecycling (Post 13376763)
While on the subject of breaking chains, what's the proper method of breaking a Shimano chain for a thorough cleaning? I have brief experience with Shimano chains, but I think I remember reading that once the connecting pin is riveted in place you can't remove it. I thought maybe you can push it all the way out and insert a new connecting pin, but I'm also remembering something about weakening the outer plates by removing the pin even once, meaning the chain cannot be reused once the connector pin is removed. What's the deal with that?

Not that you will believe me here either but Shimano recommends breaking the chain at a location other than where the first connecting pin is installed. They do not recommend pushing out the old connector and inserting a new one.

Shimagnolo 10-17-11 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by Pb_Okole (Post 13376882)
IF you had thoroughly read my post, I recommended getting a link that is meant to be taken on off more than once if you need to do so. Six dollars is a pretty paltry amount of money to pay when you consider the alternative should the link fail due to going against factory installation instructions. The anecdotal evidence of ten or twelve folks on the internet notwithstanding, I stand by my recommendation and the recommendation of the company that makes the chain.

As for taking off a chain to clean it, don't get me started...:rolleyes:

If you look closely at a Powerlock you can see the tiny raised area they added to make it difficult to remove, only for the purpose of doing an end-run around the Superlink patent for a *reusable* link.

pmt 10-17-11 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by Shimagnolo (Post 13376782)
To re-use a Powerlock:
1. Buy Park MPL-1 to open it.
2. Re-use link for the life of the chain.
3. Discard link when you discard the chain.

Yeah, this is the best advice. Many of us have re-used PowerLocks not only many times on the same chain but across other chains. They're well engineered and aren't going to break.

Looigi 10-17-11 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by Shimagnolo (Post 13376782)
To re-use a Powerlock:
1. Buy Park MPL-1 to open it.
2. Re-use link for the life of the chain.
3. Discard link when you discard the chain.

This is basically what I do. I don't keep track but if I had to guess I'd say I might reuse the powerlink 5-7 time during the life of the chain.

foresthill 10-17-11 05:47 PM

Or just buy a wipperman or kmc link and use that instead, reusing to your heart's content. Why risk it?

achoo 10-17-11 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by ilovecycling (Post 13376763)
While on the subject of breaking chains, what's the proper method of breaking a Shimano chain for a thorough cleaning? I have brief experience with Shimano chains, but I think I remember reading that once the connecting pin is riveted in place you can't remove it. I thought maybe you can push it all the way out and insert a new connecting pin, but I'm also remembering something about weakening the outer plates by removing the pin even once, meaning the chain cannot be reused once the connector pin is removed. What's the deal with that?

How to join a Shimano chain?

Use an SRAM, KMC, or Wipperman master link.

achoo 10-17-11 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by Pb_Okole (Post 13376882)
IF you had thoroughly read my post, I recommended getting a link that is meant to be taken on off more than once if you need to do so. Six dollars is a pretty paltry amount of money to pay when you consider the alternative should the link fail due to going against factory installation instructions. The anecdotal evidence of ten or twelve folks on the internet notwithstanding, I stand by my recommendation and the recommendation of the company that makes the chain.

Yeah, the recommendation where you spend $6 for $0.25 worth of something.

Imagine that.


As for taking off a chain to clean it, don't get me started...:rolleyes:
What? There's an easier way to clean a chain than to pop a master link, take the chain off, and drop it into a jar of solvent?

Please, enlighten us! What is the easier method you allude to?

achoo 10-17-11 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by foresthill (Post 13377960)
Or just buy a wipperman or kmc link and use that instead, reusing to your heart's content. Why risk it?

Because there's no risk - the load-bearing elements of the link are unaffected by removing and reinstalling the SRAM PowerLock.

GDA 10-17-11 06:41 PM

I take my chain off once a month to clean and relube. I seem to get a year out of a 1071 and I reuse the same SRAM Powerlock for the life of that chain. Never had a problem.

Shimagnolo 10-17-11 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by achoo (Post 13378164)
How to join a Shimano chain?

Use an SRAM, KMC, or Wipperman master link.

+1.
I was using SRAM links with Shimano chains until recently I decided it just made more sense to buy a *modern* chain that includes it, so now I buy SRAM or KMC chains.


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