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Old 10-29-11, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by achoo View Post
FWIW, IMO (and experience) the DT Swiss RR 585 is a better rim than the CXP 33. The CXP33 isn't much if any better than the Kinlins on my Neuvation wheels.
The 585 is over 100g heavier than the CXP, which is total overkill. I have 8000+ miles of a set of CXP33s and they have hardly needed any truing under my 200lbs. I have never broke a spoke (32h, 3x lacing) and have repacked the hubs more than I've have to true the wheel. They can build very stiff and are a great rim, one of my best cycling purchases. I have built up a set of XR270s to see if they have deliver the same performance for less money and weight. Already I prefer the weld on the CXPs, and the much nicer finishing touches.
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Old 10-29-11, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by qqy View Post
The 585 is over 100g heavier than the CXP, which is total overkill. I have 8000+ miles of a set of CXP33s and they have hardly needed any truing under my 200lbs. I have never broke a spoke (32h, 3x lacing) and have repacked the hubs more than I've have to true the wheel. They can build very stiff and are a great rim, one of my best cycling purchases. I have built up a set of XR270s to see if they have deliver the same performance for less money and weight. Already I prefer the weld on the CXPs, and the much nicer finishing touches.
I didn't say the DT Swiss RR 585 wasn't heavier than the CXP 33. And I note that you didn't say the RR 585 isn't better than the CXP 33. If your CXP 33s are like mine, you can feel the weld as it passes under the brake shoes when you're braking. Not so on the RR 585. Heck, the welded joints on my CXP 33s are worse than the pinned joints on my Neuvations.

Yeah, the RR 585 is a few ounces heavier. It's also stronger and machined to higher tolerances, and has thicker brake tracks that will last longer.
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Old 10-29-11, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by achoo View Post
you can feel the weld as it passes under the brake shoes when you're braking.
Yeah, the RR 585 is a few ounces heavier. It's also stronger and machined to higher tolerances, and has thicker brake tracks that will last longer.
That's nonsense about feeling the weld. After machining the braketrack is perfectly flat, and mine has remained perfect after heavy use. I've NEVER seen anything like that on a SUP welded rim from Mavic. Also, I have a hard time believing anything could be made to a higher spec as my CXPs were bang on for weight and perfectly flat, allowing exactly equal tension on all spokes for the initial build. The DT certainly is a stronger rim, though, but again overkill for a 160lbs guy, who can use a far lighter rim if he wants to. Now, if he's going for strength, a wider rim like a A23 would be a better choice.
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Old 10-29-11, 04:22 PM
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Like I said I'm undecided with rims at the moment and will probably get whatever is locally available and recommended by the builder but Mavics have always served me well.

Im a little worried about the bearing issues some have reported but im hoping that the G3 has a better design since it is completely new. If Saris new there were issues you would expect that they would be fixed on a fully redesigned hub. I hope so! Those that had the issues, did you have new or second hand hubs? How many others have experienced problems with their power tap, i thought problems were mostly electronic?
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Old 10-29-11, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by qqy View Post
That's nonsense about feeling the weld. ...
When's the last time you bought a Mavic rim? Read some of Psimet's replies about how Mavic wants out of the rim business in favor of selling complete wheelsets. Read some of the complaints from multiple posters on this forum about Open Pros now being prone to cracking.

And you're now telling me what I can and can't feel when I'm riding my bicycles. And doing it in a quite pejorative fashion, I might add.
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Old 10-29-11, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by lazerzxr View Post
Like I said I'm undecided with rims at the moment and will probably get whatever is locally available and recommended by the builder but Mavics have always served me well.

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I'm not saying they're bad rims - I'm just posting my opinion that there are better rims out there for the same price as Mavic's, and you can match Mavic's rims for somewhat less money.

Which seems to have annoyed some...
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Originally Posted by achoo View Post
When's the last time you bought a Mavic rim?
Last year. I own over 7 Mavic rims, including 3 CXPs on 2 bikes. I have been selling and building Mavic stuff for years. Sounds like you're just making something up and then referring to random complaints to back up your argument. I have seen 100s of builds with none of the problems you're describing. If we saw a rim in the condition you describe it would go back. My argument was simply it's a better rim for the OPs needs than a heavy deep section DT. Which seems to have annoyed some...
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