Carbon Clincher Build
10-24-11, 07:13 AM
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Carbon Clincher Build
So I'm considering doing a build during November (I have the month off work)
Im looking to order the following this week:
carbon clincher 50mm hoops. they have a gloss finish except for the brake track 20/24H
340 shipped from China roughly 450g per hoop
Shimano hubs from eBay $100-200 depending on which I go with. roughly 290g total on the hubs according to the pics
I need some spoke recommendations. I don't know about length or type. I was thinking a bladed spoke since thats what are on my Ksyriums.
Trying to keep the build under $550 if possible. Not because I nee to, I am just trying to see how cheap I can build a pair without going completely overboard. I know I can buy them Boyd/Williams/November/Soul for a good price, and if I were busy to the point where I didn't have any other choice I totally would. I just have 30 days free time and no better way to spend it than riding and working on my bike...plus I think it would be good for some of the penny pinchers out there.
Has anybody else here done a build like this?
Im looking to order the following this week:
carbon clincher 50mm hoops. they have a gloss finish except for the brake track 20/24H
340 shipped from China roughly 450g per hoop
Shimano hubs from eBay $100-200 depending on which I go with. roughly 290g total on the hubs according to the pics
I need some spoke recommendations. I don't know about length or type. I was thinking a bladed spoke since thats what are on my Ksyriums.
Trying to keep the build under $550 if possible. Not because I nee to, I am just trying to see how cheap I can build a pair without going completely overboard. I know I can buy them Boyd/Williams/November/Soul for a good price, and if I were busy to the point where I didn't have any other choice I totally would. I just have 30 days free time and no better way to spend it than riding and working on my bike...plus I think it would be good for some of the penny pinchers out there.
Has anybody else here done a build like this?
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Why not buy the complete wheels built from China for the same price ?
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10-24-11, 08:28 AM
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I didn't build them, had my LBS do that, but I sourced the rims & hubs.
80mm tubular rims, Novatec hubs. LBS sourced the spokes, so I'm not sure which he ended up using. 14g. I used black spokes with 4 white ones surrounding the valve hole just to be different.
Wheels are holding up very nicely. Ride is actually a little bit harsh. But I use Vittoria EVO CX tubs and they help smooth it out. The Novatec hubs came with poor bearings and I've been recommended to get new ones, but they're still holding up fine after 1,000+ miles.
In spite of the hubs, overall a very positive experience. Here's my full write-up.
80mm tubular rims, Novatec hubs. LBS sourced the spokes, so I'm not sure which he ended up using. 14g. I used black spokes with 4 white ones surrounding the valve hole just to be different.
Wheels are holding up very nicely. Ride is actually a little bit harsh. But I use Vittoria EVO CX tubs and they help smooth it out. The Novatec hubs came with poor bearings and I've been recommended to get new ones, but they're still holding up fine after 1,000+ miles.
In spite of the hubs, overall a very positive experience. Here's my full write-up.
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I didn't build them, had my LBS do that, but I sourced the rims & hubs.
80mm tubular rims, Novatec hubs. LBS sourced the spokes, so I'm not sure which he ended up using. 14g. I used black spokes with 4 white ones surrounding the valve hole just to be different.
Wheels are holding up very nicely. Ride is actually a little bit harsh. But I use Vittoria EVO CX tubs and they help smooth it out. The Novatec hubs came with poor bearings and I've been recommended to get new ones, but they're still holding up fine after 1,000+ miles.
In spite of the hubs, overall a very positive experience. Here's my full write-up.
80mm tubular rims, Novatec hubs. LBS sourced the spokes, so I'm not sure which he ended up using. 14g. I used black spokes with 4 white ones surrounding the valve hole just to be different.
Wheels are holding up very nicely. Ride is actually a little bit harsh. But I use Vittoria EVO CX tubs and they help smooth it out. The Novatec hubs came with poor bearings and I've been recommended to get new ones, but they're still holding up fine after 1,000+ miles.
In spite of the hubs, overall a very positive experience. Here's my full write-up.
10-24-11, 10:59 AM
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$548 for wheels & labor. Add another $75 for tires & valve extenders per wheel.
At work right now so this is the only pic I have:
At work right now so this is the only pic I have:
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Which rims are those?
7900 hubs are more like 380g. You can get BikeHubStore "super light" hubs for about $110. They're 280g total. They are decent hubs, especially for the price.
Sapim spokes are good. You can get those from BHS too.
I'd suggest building a set of wheels on aluminum rims first, before you build a set of deep section carbon wheels. They're simpler and easier. BHS has good prices on KinLin rims.
You should use nipple washers on carbon rims. They're a good idea on any rim if they will fit. Bdop cycling has pillar washers which have a smaller OD than sapim ones which won't fit in many chinese carbon rims.
There's a couple long threads about building wheels on chinese carbon rims over on weightweenies. including a pic of a rim that folded up when the builder removed a spoke because a nipple had cracked.
7900 hubs are more like 380g. You can get BikeHubStore "super light" hubs for about $110. They're 280g total. They are decent hubs, especially for the price.
Sapim spokes are good. You can get those from BHS too.
I'd suggest building a set of wheels on aluminum rims first, before you build a set of deep section carbon wheels. They're simpler and easier. BHS has good prices on KinLin rims.
You should use nipple washers on carbon rims. They're a good idea on any rim if they will fit. Bdop cycling has pillar washers which have a smaller OD than sapim ones which won't fit in many chinese carbon rims.
There's a couple long threads about building wheels on chinese carbon rims over on weightweenies. including a pic of a rim that folded up when the builder removed a spoke because a nipple had cracked.
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Which rims are those?
7900 hubs are more like 380g. You can get BikeHubStore "super light" hubs for about $110. They're 280g total. They are decent hubs, especially for the price.
Sapim spokes are good. You can get those from BHS too.
I'd suggest building a set of wheels on aluminum rims first, before you build a set of deep section carbon wheels. They're simpler and easier. BHS has good prices on KinLin rims.
You should use nipple washers on carbon rims. They're a good idea on any rim if they will fit. Bdop cycling has pillar washers which have a smaller OD than sapim ones which won't fit in many chinese carbon rims.
There's a couple long threads about building wheels on chinese carbon rims over on weightweenies. including a pic of a rim that folded up when the builder removed a spoke because a nipple had cracked.
7900 hubs are more like 380g. You can get BikeHubStore "super light" hubs for about $110. They're 280g total. They are decent hubs, especially for the price.
Sapim spokes are good. You can get those from BHS too.
I'd suggest building a set of wheels on aluminum rims first, before you build a set of deep section carbon wheels. They're simpler and easier. BHS has good prices on KinLin rims.
You should use nipple washers on carbon rims. They're a good idea on any rim if they will fit. Bdop cycling has pillar washers which have a smaller OD than sapim ones which won't fit in many chinese carbon rims.
There's a couple long threads about building wheels on chinese carbon rims over on weightweenies. including a pic of a rim that folded up when the builder removed a spoke because a nipple had cracked.
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I'm thinking of doing a build too. I've got a Campy Record rear hub that needs a new rim. I've built a decent number of old school wheels, but no carbon ones. Wonder what "gotchas" there are, such as the nipple washer mentioned above.
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well that seems like something you'd want anyways to distribute the tension on the wheel. I'm finding that if you do your shopping right you can build a decent wheel for under 600 bucks easy. finding good looking and lightweight skewers, hubs, spokes, valve extender etc.
I wonder if theres a rubber band needed on the inside of the wheel to prevent the tube from rubbing.
I wonder if theres a rubber band needed on the inside of the wheel to prevent the tube from rubbing.
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it's true but the effect is small. there's a discussion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_performance
there's shorter threads on WW about chinese carbon. Agree that the wheelbuilding thread is too long.
"rubber band"? You mean a rim strip. It's not rubber, it needs to have some tensile strength to resist the pressure of the tube where it bridges across the spoke nipple holes.
Sheldon Browns page on wheel building is good.
there's shorter threads on WW about chinese carbon. Agree that the wheelbuilding thread is too long.
"rubber band"? You mean a rim strip. It's not rubber, it needs to have some tensile strength to resist the pressure of the tube where it bridges across the spoke nipple holes.
Sheldon Browns page on wheel building is good.
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it's true but the effect is small. there's a discussion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_performance
there's shorter threads on WW about chinese carbon. Agree that the wheelbuilding thread is too long.
"rubber band"? You mean a rim strip. It's not rubber, it needs to have some tensile strength to resist the pressure of the tube where it bridges across the spoke nipple holes.
Sheldon Browns page on wheel building is good.
there's shorter threads on WW about chinese carbon. Agree that the wheelbuilding thread is too long.
"rubber band"? You mean a rim strip. It's not rubber, it needs to have some tensile strength to resist the pressure of the tube where it bridges across the spoke nipple holes.
Sheldon Browns page on wheel building is good.
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Anytime you have exposed spoke holes, or nipples etc (Anything that could eventually cut a tube), you need a rim strip. Velo plugs are another option.
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This applies to other brands as well.
I'd suggest spending the extra few dollars and getting the better bearings.
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It is possible to order Novatec hubs with cheap Chinese bearings. This drops the price considerably. Other supplier choose much higher quality bearings like EZO from Japan or F.A.G. from Germany. This bumps their costs up.
This applies to other brands as well.
I'd suggest spending the extra few dollars and getting the better bearings.
This applies to other brands as well.
I'd suggest spending the extra few dollars and getting the better bearings.
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You missed the point.
It's not the hubs...it's the bearings. Same hubs, different bearings.
Most of the hubs on the market today are made in Taiwan. This is especially true with expensive boutique wheels.
It's not the hubs...it's the bearings. Same hubs, different bearings.
Most of the hubs on the market today are made in Taiwan. This is especially true with expensive boutique wheels.
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