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$1,600. Zipp 404's...

Old 11-06-11, 08:38 PM
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$1,600. Zipp 404's...

https://www.bikesale.com/zipp-404-cli...lset-2011.aspx

Don't know if it's "real" (not that I could afford them right now anyway),
but if someone can benefit from this, let me know if it goes through.
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Old 11-06-11, 08:44 PM
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lbs getting rid of their nos 2010's. lbs here selling them for similar pricing.
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Old 11-06-11, 08:52 PM
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I wouldn't spend that much on a wheelset unless I was racing.
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That's not that great a price. Several souces are selling 2011/2012 CF Firecreast for $2200 which are faster and lighter

Edit: Just changed to $1900

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My LBS just sent an email with the same deal.

https://bikefitters.com/product/zipp-...et-56255-1.htm
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Thanks V. Looks like it's a legitimate sale.
Zipp probably has some new & improved 404's coming out.

If I had the money, I'd get them.
That's a dam good price IMO.
It's a lot of wheel for the money.

Damn.

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I used 404s (non-FC) for my IM and wasn't impressed.
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gimme gimme gimme
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they are stopping production of non firecrest wheels, so they have given us shops that still have them permission to blow em out.
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Then why not make it $1000-1200 and blow them out?!?!?!?!!!!!
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Then why not make it $1000-1200 and blow them out?!?!?!?!!!!!
1600 for 2600 dollar wheels? um ya, thats blowing them out.
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Originally Posted by darb85 View Post
1600 for 2600 dollar wheels? um ya, thats blowing them out.
Almost. Competitive Cyclist ran a 50% off sale on Reynolds wheels last year around this time. I got $2550 wheels for exactly half of that. I'd call that a blow out more than an "old" zipp wheelset for $1600. Still a reasonable deal nonetheless if you are looking for some high-end wheels right now.

We are still talking a LOT of money for hoops that spin on our bikes. The sad part is they don't even make us faster, but we are still willing to spend so much money on them. Hey, I'm guilty of it myself. Just sayin'.
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Zipp>Reynolds
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Zipp>Reynolds
Debatable.
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Originally Posted by Velo Gator View Post
I used 404s (non-FC) for my IM and wasn't impressed.
Why not?

I'm shopping for wheels, and liked the 303s I had for a few days. I'd love to benefit from your experience before I spend my money.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
Why not?
Probably because neither will do a darn thing to increase your speed in the real world. A few seconds over 40k or whatever metric they use is clearly unnoticeable on a second by second basis while riding. It's debatable because some might argue that the DT Swiss 240s hubs spec'd on Reynolds wheels are better than Zipp's, or that they prefer DT spokes over Sapim, etc. Zipp's rim designs are supposed to be better, but I remember reading something at some point stating that Reynolds wheels did better in an aero test. You can't prove either one is "better" than the other. This is why it's debatable.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
Why not?

I'm shopping for wheels, and liked the 303s I had for a few days. I'd love to benefit from your experience before I spend my money.
They were heavy, noticeably so. For some reason, they just felt more "sluggish" than my Reynolds. That's certainly no hard data, but was just my experience.
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Which Reynolds do you have?

I'm looking at Zipp 303s (pretty light weight) vs 46 (similar weight) or 32 (it's a feather!). I'll be going with tubular in either case.
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even if they dont make you faster i bet they ride a lot better than most stock wheels. the move from an aluminum frame to a cf frame is very noticable in vibration dampening and stuff, i bet its the same moving from aluminum wheels to carbon wheels. i'll make the dive one day when i can afford it.
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Thanks for your thoughts. How do you judge hub quality? Serious question.

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Probably because neither will do a darn thing to increase your speed in the real world. A few seconds over 40k or whatever metric they use is clearly unnoticeable on a second by second basis while riding. It's debatable because some might argue that the DT Swiss 240s hubs spec'd on Reynolds wheels are better than Zipp's, or that they prefer DT spokes over Sapim, etc. Zipp's rim designs are supposed to be better, but I remember reading something at some point stating that Reynolds wheels did better in an aero test. You can't prove either one is "better" than the other. This is why it's debatable.
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Originally Posted by c_mack9 View Post
even if they dont make you faster i bet they ride a lot better than most stock wheels. the move from an aluminum frame to a cf frame is very noticable in vibration dampening and stuff, i bet its the same moving from aluminum wheels to carbon wheels. i'll make the dive one day when i can afford it.
Uhm, no.

Deep sectioned carbon wheels with with aluminum brake tracks are not all that comfortable. I have Zipp 404 clinchers, and the ride is noticeably rougher than with a conventional aluminum rim.

Now my Zipp 303 tubulars are a different story.
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404 tubular (1278gr) > 404 alu rim clincher (1658gr)

I don't see why you would run such a heavy wheel...unless all you do are flats.

I run a pair of the 56mm EC90 tubulars as my main wheel and I have a pair of 32mm Reynolds R2 clinchers as my spare set. Performance-wise...the Eastons are better in every way.

For 1600...I'd rather buy a pair of 60mm full carbon clinchers from the guys that post in this forum.

IIRC, Competitive Cyclist had the 404 FC tubulars on sale for 1700 last week.

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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
Which Reynolds do you have?

I'm looking at Zipp 303s (pretty light weight) vs 46 (similar weight) or 32 (it's a feather!). I'll be going with tubular in either case.
The 46 clinchers
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
Uhm, no.

Deep sectioned carbon wheels with with aluminum brake tracks are not all that comfortable. I have Zipp 404 clinchers, and the ride is noticeably rougher than with a conventional aluminum rim.

Now my Zipp 303 tubulars are a different story.
note to self: don't buy carbon wheels with aluminum brake tracks.
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