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Old 11-07-11, 10:20 PM
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Frame damage

So...before the bashing commences on the frame...I want to know if I am hosed here.
Bought this off CL. Went to take it my LBS to have bearings put in the headset and they called me and said the rear stays were cracked. When I checked it out when I bought it off the guy I didnt see anything... not saying my LBS did it, but ultimately it falls back on me for being an unknowledgeable (if that is a word) buyer of carbon.

sent pics off to calfee and another cf repair shop I found online.
see for yourselves... what do you think? repairable? or will it be a chunk of wall art?

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Thanks for the open lashings I am about to receive.



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Old 11-07-11, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jasandalb View Post
So...before the bashing commences on the frame...I want to know if I am hosed here.
Bought this off CL. Went to take it my LBS to have bearings put in the headset and they called me and said the rear stays were cracked. When I checked it out when I bought it off the guy I didnt see anything... not saying my LBS did it, but ultimately it falls back on me for being an unknowledgeable (if that is a word) buyer of carbon.

sent pics off to calfee and another cf repair shop I found online.
see for yourselves... what do you think? repairable? or will it be a chunk of wall art?

[IMG][/IMG]

There are more pics in the album when you click on the pics.
Thanks for the open lashings I am about to receive.
If they can attach carbon stays to aluminum front triangles, I think you'll be alright.
Best of luck and let us know how it works out for you.

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Old 11-07-11, 11:37 PM
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It looks like the bond failed and the tube is pulling away from the lug. Since it doesn't appear to be damaged (based on the pic) I'm willing to bet it could be re-bonded and finished so as to almost be invisible.

All is not lost.
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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina View Post
It looks like the bond failed and the tube is pulling away from the lug. Since it doesn't appear to be damaged (based on the pic) I'm willing to bet it could be re-bonded and finished so as to almost be invisible.

All is not lost.
this. it since the area is painted anyways it would be an easy fix and cover up...relatively speaking.
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Old 11-08-11, 08:31 AM
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I got a reply back from carbonframepair.com .. he had me do a "quarter" test to bang on the frame to see if the sounds were different to indicate damage. one part did sound different, however the inside didnt.

I am hopeful it should be a "minimal" expense....I was going to paint the frame anyway.

Thanks for the input guys... at least my heart cant beat again knowing there is "hope".
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Old 11-08-11, 09:51 AM
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here's their response after I sent them a video of the test:


"Great idea with the video. Based on your test I think your frame is fine. The cracks you see are just cosmetic. The "clicking" sounds pretty consistent all the way across the tube.
If you want us to do any cosmetic paint or touch up work on that area, we can do so for $100. Otherwise, go ride it!
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Old 11-08-11, 09:58 AM
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Good news.

I think it's worth $100. however to have them touch it up.
They will definitely take a closer look before doing the work
and give you complete & total peace of mind before you ride.
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Old 11-08-11, 10:20 AM
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Carbonframerepair.com just got put on my short list if I need any work done.
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Yeah, I wouldn't put my ass on the line over a quarter test that you have no idea really what you are looking or listening for. Send it in, have them check it out and have the peace of mind that knowing a professional actualy looked at it, not just watched a video of you doing it.
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I hope you get it fixed. Question: did you try contacting the seller about this problem?
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It has been brought to my attention that nowadays a couple hundred will fix most any carbon issues. This is completely hearsay, but my boss spends more time than I do reading cycling articles, so while I may not be able to cite his source, I personally trust that its a good one.

Now WHO to go to... I have no idea. But apparently its almost all fixable.
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Old 11-09-11, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by das Ben Gator View Post
I hope you get it fixed. Question: did you try contacting the seller about this problem?


Actually I did. When I picked it back up from my LBS I shot him a text letting him know what was going on.
It turned into a "I'm right" no.."I'm right" scenario. I sent him all the pics and we went back and forth.
He said it happened on my end...that his shops never said anything after they worked on it.
I basically said that's what I get for buying a cheap frame and really have no way to make a claim.... but Karma sucks and I hope he was being honest.
The frame was on ebay, and he was local...so I contacted him through ebay, told him if it ended could I come pick it up.
It ended without a bid so I got it for $25 less than what he listed on Ebay.... but it was a cash in hand deal, and not put through ebay.

Anyway....so last night I get a voicemail from the guy saying the whole scenario sucked, he didnt want me to wreck and come after him, if I wanted my money back that was fine, yadda yadda yadda.....

Then...I get an email from Calfee saying it'll cost $600 to "fix" the "damage" and $150 for touch up paint.

So...I am at a crossroads. One guy says its fine, one says its not, seller says I can return.
Maybe just return it, get my money back and find another frame.....
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What make is that frame? It's probably best to get a refund unless the frame is high-end and worth the total cost of the sale + repair + your time. I doubt that it is.
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So...I am at a crossroads. One guy says its fine, one says its not, seller says I can return.
Maybe just return it, get my money back and find another frame.....
This gets my vote.
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See that's the problem with CF right now... Buying second-hand is just too risky. Some people are going to tell you that they can fix it, but won't guarantee their work. Some people are going to be honest and tell you that once CF has been compromised, then all bets are off! They won't even touch it, unless it's the most minor of recent scratches. That's not to say, that some casualties can't be repaired sufficiently. It's just that, given the fact that you need high tech devices in order to even make what should be an obvious observation, is exasperating and borders on the extreme.

When it comes to CF bicycle frame material, I say wait until the good suff comes out...It won't be too long, I promise. The only practical reason to own a CF bicycle is if you are somehow involved in some type of racing.

Of course, OTOH, you might have the bucks and just enjoy the way CF feels. If that's the case, when you walk on broken glass barefoot, you shouldn't complain when you get your feet cut!

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However, in this economy, get prepared for a repair bill!

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See that's the problem with CF right now... Buying second-hand is just too risky. ...

When it comes to CF bicycle frame material, I say wait until the good suff comes out...It won't be too long, I promise....
a) if someone is concerned about second hand don't buy second hand
b) don't buy second hand sight unseen - have the frame inspected
c) what's the good stuff
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Originally Posted by SlimRider View Post
See that's the problem with CF right now... Buying second-hand is just too risky. Some people are going to tell you that they can fix it, but won't guarantee their work. Some people are going to be honest and tell you that once CF has been compromised, then all bets are off! They won't even touch it, unless it's the most minor of recent scratches. That's not to say, that some casualties can't be repaired sufficiently. It's just that, given the fact that you need high tech devices in order to even make what should be an obvious observation, is exasperating and borders on the extreme.

When it comes to CF bicycle frame material, I say wait until the good suff comes out...It won't be too long, I promise. The only practical reason to own a CF bicycle is if you are somehow involved in some type of racing.

Of course, OTOH, you might have the bucks and just enjoy the way CF feels.
There is that Other Hand. Now a days, you can buy pretty damn good carbon frames even in backed companies with names such as schwinn, fuji, etc.. that do not cost THAT much more. Typically the money will be saved on a cheap groupset on an aluminum bike where pretty much all carbon bikes are 105 or better.
Never underestimate the aesthetic appeal that can be created with nice carbon work. This can go along way being that it will certainly motivate its owner to rider it more. I still own my allez but after owning carbon, I find myself never having a good enough reason to ride it over the carbon bike. Weight is typically the biggest factor along with comfort, plus the fact that carbon doesn't rust, is easier to repair than pretty much all metal forms and they do a fantastic job of marketing and painting carbon frames, I'd say there are PLENTY of reasons to own a carbon bike. To each is own, even money aside.
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its just a generic frame... ebay special.

I keep going back to the fact that one company says it's fine... $100 to do paint work... and one says it needs to be fixed... $750 total job.
I'm going to bring it to another local shop and get their opinion. I'm in it for $275..toss in another $100...plus shipping I'm around $400.
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Originally Posted by rdtompki View Post
a) if someone is concerned about second hand don't buy second hand
b) don't buy second hand sight unseen - have the frame inspected
c) what's the good stuff
Exactly, A bike should always be treated like any other vehicle because it is. If you don't know what you're doing, seek out somebody who does, or buy from a dealer (lbs, Big store, what have you...)
You wouldn't just buy a used corvette off the internet without knowing a thing or two about LS1s and removable glass top sealing.
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Originally Posted by jasandalb View Post
its just a generic frame... ebay special.

I keep going back to the fact that one company says it's fine... $100 to do paint work... and one says it needs to be fixed... $750 total job.
I'm going to bring it to another local shop and get their opinion. I'm in it for $275..toss in another $100...plus shipping I'm around $400.
250 plus shipping is pretty damn cheap. Should have known SOMETHING was up good luck on your endeavor.
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I had a good look at the photos you uploaded and I am pretty sure that your frame is not 'fine'.

The internal lugs from the BB shell extend down along the chainstays. The stays are then bonded to that shell. The bond is sanded and painted to cover the seam. The crack runs through the center of the painted junction exactly where the join would be.

Seeing it in person would be the only way to be 100% but if you have the option to return it for a refund I would strongly suggest it.
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Anyway....so last night I get a voicemail from the guy saying the whole scenario sucked, he didnt want me to wreck and come after him, if I wanted my money back that was fine, yadda yadda yadda.....

Then...I get an email from Calfee saying it'll cost $600 to "fix" the "damage" and $150 for touch up paint.

So...I am at a crossroads. One guy says its fine, one says its not, seller says I can return.
Maybe just return it, get my money back and find another frame.....
I shouldn't have taken you more than about 30 seconds to make the right call on that. What are you waiting for?
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