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Campagnolo veloce, lighter than expected!

Old 11-09-11, 12:13 AM
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Campagnolo veloce, lighter than expected!

Finally got my 2012 campy veloce group in from ribble, paid $505 shipped which I think is pretty cheap. Less than the vintage parts I sold off of the bike to pay for it! I digress...

At first I was lamenting the new power torque crankset because on the surface it seems like a bad design, but I guess using a gear puller isn't that hard. What are you getting for the inconvenience? Apparently it saves some weight. I was fully expecting this stuff to be way heavier than it is, but it's really not bad for campy's cheap group:

Cranks = 757g
BB= 69g
Shifters = 371g
Brakes = 326g
RD = 227
FD w/clamp = 113g
Cassette = 296g

Weight looks pretty comparable to ultegra for a fraction of the price. Same amount of speeds too. Makes it pretty hard to justify buying shimano when campy's cheapest group is as light or almost as light as ultegra...

Unfortunately I can't say how it performs for quite a while, snow is coming and I need to build a set of wheels.

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I'm thinking of getting this group for a build. How long did Ribble take to deliver?
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Originally Posted by tagaproject6 View Post
I'm thinking of getting this group for a build. How long did Ribble take to deliver?
Let's see... I placed the order on November 1 and it showed up today. Pretty fast actually, it felt longer but you know how it is.
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I've got 2011 Veloce on my recently built up winter bike. It's a little clunky but has worked well so far. The one thing that gave me slight pause when I built the bike up was that there seemed to be a bit of friction in the PT BB but that may have been a false impression.
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Originally Posted by MajorMantra View Post
I've got 2011 Veloce on my recently built up winter bike. It's a little clunky but has worked well so far. The one thing that gave me slight pause when I built the bike up was that there seemed to be a bit of friction in the PT BB but that may have been a false impression.
It seems like most new-ish bottom bracket designs have a lot of friction, at least compared to old square taper stuff. Sucks to hear you think it's clunky, I am hoping for smoothness but who knows.
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Originally Posted by mazdaspeed View Post
It seems like most new-ish bottom bracket designs have a lot of friction, at least compared to old square taper stuff. Sucks to hear you think it's clunky, I am hoping for smoothness but who knows.
That's why I'm sticking with a square taper. I'm small 5'9" and 140 lbs. No matter what, I just can't flex a BB. Maybe if you're bigger or stronger than me, not hard to achieve, the newer designs can help.

Did you use the Power Shift or Ultra Shift? I'd like to hear some reviews on the Power Shift other than they can't shift an entire cassette in one motion.
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That's why I'm sticking with a square taper. I'm small 5'9" and 140 lbs. No matter what, I just can't flex a BB. Maybe if you're bigger or stronger than me, not hard to achieve, the newer designs can help.

Did you use the Power Shift or Ultra Shift? I'd like to hear some reviews on the Power Shift other than they can't shift an entire cassette in one motion.
I have no idea what shifters I have. They are 2012 model year veloce, whatever those have.

The whole square taper vs new stuff thing is a tough call. I have no problem with square taper if the crankset is good, but it seems like the lightweight 10/11 speed cranks are all going to have some type of outboard bearing BB (if it is a threaded BB).
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It looks like it's powershift on that groupset. It's an extra $10 to ship to my place, though a whole $515. I wish they'd let you drop parts, like I'd rather skip the brakes, I think. Oh well, not a bad deal at all!
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It looks like it's powershift on that groupset. It's an extra $10 to ship to my place, though a whole $515. I wish they'd let you drop parts, like I'd rather skip the brakes, I think. Oh well, not a bad deal at all!
Why skip the brakes? I looked it up and the veloce brakes are only 10g heavier than ultegra 6700 brakes. I am definitely using them since they match the rest of the group, dunno.
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Veloce is hard to beat for the price in particular ordering out of the UK. You will enjoy it.
As to the puller thing with PT. Many BB's need different tools. New BB-30's generally need a press that typically can be worked tho a couple of different ways. In the case of Campy UT cranks, you need a puller to get the bearings off the spindle halves. Bearings are replacable on cartridge bearing BB's and typically cheap if you buy right. In the day of the Square taper, a replacement BB was more expensive than the odd tool necessary to service an integrated BB.

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Old 11-09-11, 10:17 AM
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Whatcha puttin' it on?

Originally Posted by mazdaspeed View Post
Finally got my 2012 campy veloce group in from ribble, paid $505 shipped which I think is pretty cheap. Less than the vintage parts I sold off of the bike to pay for it! I digress...

At first I was lamenting the new power torque crankset because on the surface it seems like a bad design, but I guess using a gear puller isn't that hard. What are you getting for the inconvenience? Apparently it saves some weight. I was fully expecting this stuff to be way heavier than it is, but it's really not bad for campy's cheap group:

Cranks = 757g
BB= 69g
Shifters = 371g
Brakes = 326g
RD = 227
FD w/clamp = 113g
Cassette = 296g

Weight looks pretty comparable to ultegra for a fraction of the price. Same amount of speeds too. Makes it pretty hard to justify buying shimano when campy's cheapest group is as light or almost as light as ultegra...

Unfortunately I can't say how it performs for quite a while, snow is coming and I need to build a set of wheels.
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If you really want a price/weight bargin look at Microshift.
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Btw - I went away from Campy because it was hard to find parts locally in a hurry if I needed them. Also it was hard to get a neutral wheel in a race, although I didn't really race much this past year.
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Originally Posted by mazdaspeed View Post
Sucks to hear you think it's clunky, I am hoping for smoothness but who knows.
Well, I'm comparing it to 2009 Centaur which I have on my race bike, which has the reputation for having the least positive shifting of any Campy, ever. I actually quite like the Centaur although it's a tiny bit vague. My ideal would probably lie somewhere between my '09 Centaur and my '11 Veloce for clunkiness.
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Originally Posted by ravenmore View Post
If you really want a price/weight bargin look at Microshift.
Don't they only make shifters and derailleurs though?

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Btw - I went away from Campy because it was hard to find parts locally in a hurry if I needed them. Also it was hard to get a neutral wheel in a race, although I didn't really race much this past year.
Yeah this isn't going on a race bike otherwise I would have spent a bit more and went with rival, or a mishmash of random components like my other bike. This is going on a steel colnago frame.

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Well, I'm comparing it to 2009 Centaur which I have on my race bike, which has the reputation for having the least positive shifting of any Campy, ever. I actually quite like the Centaur although it's a tiny bit vague. My ideal would probably lie somewhere between my '09 Centaur and my '11 Veloce for clunkiness.
Hmm I guess I'll see...
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Yes - Microshift only makes shifters and derailers at the moment - didn't realize it was a Colnago, so yeah, you have to do Campy.
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i had veloce shifters on my Serotta for a while, they worked great IMO.

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For cheap campag - have a look at http://www.probikekit.com/uk/

For a 2011 Veloce groupset (minus both derailleurs as they are out of stock) - you'll pay about $360 shipped by courier (the checkout will scrub the sales tax when you put in your location). You'll have to hunt for the mechs elsewhere - but they'll let you skip the brakes ans other parts - only the chainset/crankset is manditory.

if you sign up to their mailing list - they have lots of discount codes coming through regularly too.

For discounts on higher end campag stuff - keep an eye on http://www.comtat.co.uk/
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