Steel vs. Carbon Dilemma
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I have a Gunnar Sport, I like it. The Bob Jackson Audax models look nice as well. If you choose the Gunnar, look closely at the sizing info on their website. I was able to use a size larger than I expected, apparently because of the taller headtube.
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I've ridden 853 and found it too soft for my taste. That was when I was much younger so it might appeal to me now.
I'll file that one away for later.
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In all seriousness I don't get this feeling myself. Even with the longest chainstays on the LeMond. Of course I am getting old so what do I know?
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I've only had one LBS quality steel frame that was not stiff enough for my taste. 1988 Trek 400T. True Temper CrMo w/ Really long chainstays on that one, touring length stays. Super spongy bottom bracket area.
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And what exactly is wrong with a Gunner. Can someone clarify this for me? Seriously. I want to know before I drop a grand on a frame.
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I don't get this. I've got nothing against Cannondale, but how is an off-the-shelf mass produced bike equal in quality of construction to some of the best hand made frames?
And what exactly is wrong with a Gunner. Can someone clarify this for me? Seriously. I want to know before I drop a grand on a frame.
And what exactly is wrong with a Gunner. Can someone clarify this for me? Seriously. I want to know before I drop a grand on a frame.
Does not compute to me....
Waterford (Gunnar), makes some of the finest riding machines known worldwide. I have NEVER!...I repeat!... I have NEVER heard of any complaints about ride quality with respect to any bike coming out of the Waterford facility.
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Then OTOH, there's Cannondale...
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I don't get this. I've got nothing against Cannondale, but how is an off-the-shelf mass produced bike equal in quality of construction to some of the best hand made frames?
And what exactly is wrong with a Gunner. Can someone clarify this for me? Seriously. I want to know before I drop a grand on a frame.
And what exactly is wrong with a Gunner. Can someone clarify this for me? Seriously. I want to know before I drop a grand on a frame.
And you can pick the colour! I like the charcoal/gold rush myself.
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This thread has gotten me curious about newer steels. I'd like to spend some time on one but I don't think I'd choose anything other than carbon to race on at the moment.
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Both were similar enough geometry. This was back in the day of square frames and where everyone measure c-c. As I said I think it was more a function of what I had been riding previous to the 853.
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Columbus SL/SLX is good stuff. I have an interesting bike made out of Columbus something, maybe SP. My friend's Basso was a joy to ride, especially with the Colnago fork. Besides all this talk with steel though, a top end carbon bike is hard to beat
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A Gunnar is a Waterford with stock (as opposed to custom) sizes, colors and geometries. You cannot buy a "nicer" tig welded frame, only different.
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edit: I'm basing this on the comments of a couple Gunnar owners I know who suggested the QC on their frames was less than stellar. I have no direct experience with a Gunnar frame, and if my two associates happened to get the only two lemons that actually came out of the Gunnar/Waterford factory, than I stand corrected & that's a smoking deal.
But Cheap Bike != Expensive Bike regardless of the material.
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I'm too much of a noob for anyone to care, but fit is all that matters, the rest is details and debating it is a waste of time that could be spent riding.
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