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Old 11-17-11, 10:33 AM
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let's talk about video cameras.

I'm thinking about getting a video camera for the bike. Between the weird stuff I see on my daily rides and the craziness of races, i think there's some stuff worth filming.

I'm looking at the Replay XD1080, mostly for the form factor - small and circular - as opposed to the GoPro's cubic shape. But i'd like to hear about how you use yours in general....

Anyone who has a video camera - what do you think? what have you done with it? do people watch your videos?
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Get a Contour and put it under your stem.

So you can be like this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/kGf-Se0AMmU
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Originally Posted by dayday82 View Post
Get a Contour and put it under your stem.
So you can be like this guy.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/kGf-Se0AMmU
the contour does that GPS & power display stuff?
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I don't have one but am considering the Contour HD that's being phased out. Seems a good deal at <$130.

Supposedly $99 here with a rebate:
https://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...951&CatId=4451
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Originally Posted by dayday82 View Post
Get a Contour and put it under your stem.

So you can be like this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/kGf-Se0AMmU
what he said. Buy bigger memory card while you're at it.
The GPS and all is Dashware.
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I use CONTOUR HD with the helmet mount. Really like it and not too bulky compared to the GOPRO That Replay XD1080 looks really nice and smaller too.



Originally Posted by idc View Post
I don't have one but am considering the Contour HD that's being phased out. Seems a good deal at <$130.

Supposedly $99 here with a rebate:
https://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...951&CatId=4451

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Originally Posted by Inertianinja View Post
the contour does that GPS & power display stuff?
GPS is a seperate device; bike computer, cell w/ the right app or GPS capable watch.
Once you have the video and GPS info, you'll need a software to overlay the stats
w/ the footage. Dashware and Bike Telemetry are what folks use, unless you want
to write your own code.

I've been playing with a GoPro Hero HD 960 for a few weeks now:
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I have a ContourHD, a GoPro HD Hero 960, and a Midland XTC-100. I agree that the form factor of the GoPro makes it stick out way too much, but the video quality is outstanding. I tested mine yesterday by mounting it to the rear rack of my hybrid. I used the WVGA 848x480 60fps setting, and there was absolutely zero rolling shutter waviness in the picture. I use the same setting on my ContourHD, and I still get slight rolling shutter on rougher roads.

Last weekend I took a ride in the hills with the ContourHD mounted on the head tube with the new Contour Flex Strap Mount. This eliminates the camera shake I've experienced from handlebar and helmet mounting, so the video is very smooth.

Keep in mind, when your camera is visible to bystanders you will get reactions from them, both positive and negative.

I started recording my rides for the same reasons you state. I see a lot of interesting/crazy/weird stuff on my rides and I like to capture that. I also like to document my hard hill climbing rides. I keep all my footage raw so I can relive the experience exactly as it happened, including my suffering on climbs.

People do watch cycling videos quite a lot. I have been surprised at the positive reactions I get from posting a video that I figured wasn't very unique, yet people like to see it anyway.

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Originally Posted by 1nterceptor View Post
GPS is a seperate device
There do appear to be Contour models with GPS.

Scroll down about 1/3 for a comparison table of Contour models:
https://www.amazon.com/Contour-1300-C.../dp/B002QGSYZ4
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The new Hero 2 looks good to me and I would also consider the new Contour Roam because of its wide angle lens and lower price.
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Originally Posted by Crappymonkey View Post
The new Hero 2 looks good to me and I would also consider the new Contour Roam because of its wide angle lens and lower price.
The new GoPro looks great and has a 120fps WVGA mode. I would avoid the ContourROAM unless you don't record long enough to drain the internal, non user-replaceable battery. Also, there is no 60fps setting, which reduces rolling shutter waviness in the picture and allows for better slow motion playback.
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I use the basic ContourHD (1080) in 720x60fps mode. My clips are on YouTube - anything in 2010 or later, except for Red Trolley, is from that. I use the standard goggle mount, strapped to the helmet.

Another rider uses two zipties to attach it under his stem. I loaned him my camera for a race, we met up literally minutes before the start, he zip-zipped, snipped the ends, and rode to the line. I used the same camera in the M35+ race, got shelled. I haven't put up a clip on it, but it was same camera, same charge, just swapped out memory card.

I have two of them but haven't yet used both at once. I'd like to though. I have a third 8GB card, third battery, external battery charger.
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I use 32 GB Class 10 cards in the ContourHD and GoPro HD Hero 960. When I first got the Contour I used a couple of Kingston 16 GB Class 4 cards I had laying around. It took much longer for the camera to finalize the clip and double beep after stopping a recording. On long recordings it took over a minute before the camera would beep. With the Class 10 card it's much quicker.

I now use the Class 4 cards in the Midland, since it records at a low enough resolution that card speed doesn't matter as much.

I carry 2 spare batteries for each camera. I bought the Contour external charger and the Go Pro Battery Bac Pac to use as an external charger. The Bac Pac is not compatible with the HD Hero 960, so it can't be mounted on the back of the camera to extend battery life. It doubles as a battery charger though.
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This is good info. It'd between the replay and the contour if anything.

I notice that the replay has a narrower angle, but a more "natural" look to the video...less fisheye.
I read that the lenses are swappable as well.

Id probably go for 720@60fps when recording.

The gps is nice but not necessary. I have a Garmin.

Any other downsides to the Replay 1080 that I'm missing?
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I totally thought this would be a GoPro Hero2 lovefest... turns out not, and I think I need to do a lot more research!
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Originally Posted by carpediemracing View Post
I use the basic ContourHD (1080) in 720x60fps mode. My clips are on YouTube - anything in 2010 or later, except for Red Trolley, is from that. I use the standard goggle mount, strapped to the helmet.

Another rider uses two zipties to attach it under his stem. I loaned him my camera for a race, we met up literally minutes before the start, he zip-zipped, snipped the ends, and rode to the line. I used the same camera in the M35+ race, got shelled. I haven't put up a clip on it, but it was same camera, same charge, just swapped out memory card.

I have two of them but haven't yet used both at once. I'd like to though. I have a third 8GB card, third battery, external battery charger.
cdr,

Two camera at once is great and much more interesting than lookin' at arse all ride long! mount the rear camera on your seat rails or on the seat post, here is my rear camera setup:



I have a ContourGPS and Contour+ I usually mount them one front one rear solidly on the bike, but I am thinking of picking up a third camera. I use my Android phone to align them before my rides. I have experimented with mounting one on the rear axle pointed forward, it is an interesting perspective and safer on a road bike. Too low to the ground for any really technical mtb trails. Only shoot 60fps, then render to 30fps, I occasionally use Dashware ($50 direct from Dashware), use Premiere Elements but want to learn Sony Vegas (the twixtor plugin intrigues me).

I use two class 10 32GB and two class 10 16GB microSD cards, I have the waterproof housings for both, eight batteries (4 Contour and 4 Nokia clone BL-5C), two AC chargers, too many mounting options to list, most of which are in a smaller sized Pelican case while traveling. I also use a Garmin and think that the extra data provided, which Dashware can use is really interesting when overlayed graphically over the video.
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I've been thinking of how to mount the second camera. Rearward is fine, I just have to do it. I was thinking of something pointing forward from further back and lower, like the seat stay, or pointing back and down from up front, like downtube. My goal would be to catch some of the bike manipulation stuff, like shifting while sprinting, braking (when), cornering, bunny hops, rocking the bike, drinking, wiping tires, etc. I want to capture technique with the second camera.

It would be fun to have one pointing back, especially if I can get any of my jump back It would have been great to have a rear racing cam at some of the races, where I heard a lot of talk about "I was fighting hard for your wheel". I never see that because I don't look back much. I think a technique oriented cam would be more helpful though.

Of course I could just get a third cam. Heh. 11 GB per segment instead of 3.67 GB.
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Another option is the Tachyon OPS HD at $139. It's a very small camera that weights under 50grams. It is slim and because of the way it attaches to it's mounts, it can be positioned in pretty much any orientation. The only recording setting it has is 720p at 30fps, though. I wish it had a 60fps setting but it doesn't. But it can record for 4+ hours on a single charge and can use up to 32GB memory cards.
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I own neither, but of the videos that I've seen filmed with each, it seems clear that the Go Pro handles light, balance and clarity better than the ContourHD.

Compare this GoPro Footage with the Video linked to above on the ContourHD. The ContourHD footage just doesnt' look as sharp or colorful to me.

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I'm going old school and adopting this guy's rig!

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There is some good info on camera use in the Safety subforum that is definitely worth exploring as well. Included are some low profile, inexpensive DIY systems for providing fore and aft footage for safety/legal documentation.
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CDR,

Here is a real quick vid I put together after making a mount that replaces the skewer nut on a quick release:




I feel so ashamed, it is a video while riding my mountain bike and I'm in the 41. Anyway it was right after I built the mount so I had to test it and it was time to walk the dog too.
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I felt like I was riding in an elevator
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I just recently got the Contour GPS and I'm learning that the built in 2gb will get you nothing at 1080. I mounted it to the side of my helmet using the flat surface mounts because I don't like the way it looks mounted on top but I want to be able record what I'm looking at. Plus, it ups my Fred points by 100
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Still deciding if I want to buy one or not. Originally, I planned on the Contour under the stem but now I'm seeing more of the the Go Pro's with the chest harness. Still undecided at this point...
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