Isn't it all so wonderful how we place absolute judgement on people we do not know, nor have ever met?:innocent:

Why did you buy it then?:D

It was my first road bike, I had no idea what I was doing. At that point I was a mountain biker.

Why is it that everytime LeMond and/or his bikes are mentioned, it tuens into a Greg vs. Lance debate, and ususlly a rather childish one at that. I have never met either man but I admire each of their accomplishments. So many people deride LeMond for the thnings he has said about Lance and my question always is......what will you saay if he is proven right?

I had a LeMond Tournalet and I rather enjoyed riding it. It was first new road bike after many years off of the bike and it lived up to all of the accolades I had read about it. We all have our preferences. I respect those of others, shame we all don't.

The facts are known and it's a classic case of shoot the messenger. Merckx was great but not so bright. Hinault was strong & smart & at the top of his carrier in 1986.

Well said. Too many people think their opinion is the right one, and are hell bent to change everyone else's opinion or to show them how stupid they are.

This thread is useless without pics.

If half the posters in this thread were 1/10th the cyclist that Lemond or Armstrong were, this thread might be worth reading and consideration. Given that those digging reputations are not, and just wish, then it puts it into it's proper perspective.

I have a 10+/- year old LeMond Zurich with 853 steel, it is a nice bike and looks nicer than my Cervelo.

That said I ride my Cervelo R3SL 98% of the time.

Lemond bike were not boring. As much as he was a tool without him American cycling would not be the same. The same tool comment could be used when referencing Armstrong as well over the years.

I give Lemond props for doing a kids cartoon episode though "Phineas and Ferb - Tour de Ferb" plenty of references for cycling fans.

My 05 LeMond cdf is still a beautiful light well balanced steel bike.
I still take it out once in a while and its like new. Great bike.

Having spent a very long day as Greg's "handler", I have nothing but positive impressions of the man. Been around a lot of "celebs", done interviews with a bunch. He's got a ton of passion and ideas for bikes and bike related products. Totally engaging with his "fans". Heck, I was keeping back to let other folks have some time with him on one leg and he slid back to talk about my wheels. Sport would benefit from a relaunch of his brand.

I'm not a "hero/fan" guy. Even the best make a stink in the bathroom. They are people. He's a good dude.

And he still goes downhill like a rocket.

Uphill...not so much.

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Curious as to why exactly he would be "jealous" of Lance for anything? He's not trying to be Eddy M, come down from your high horse, remove your head from LA's arse, and give the man(Lemond) the credit he deserves? He wasnt alone in his questioning of Lance, but dumb****s like you, keep piling on him, and acting as if he's been the only one? The UCI/and other cycling feds have all questioned lance and his legitimacy, as have other riders. I've said this more than a few times, Lance hasn't changed people's opinions of him being completely innocent/dope free, with his actions over the last 10 years, and his reluctance to answer anything serious about it. He's hidden behind a battery of lawyers, and always seems to dodge any questions, and acts as if people should take him at his word only? Lemond wins 5 straight if not for the hunting accident, how again would that make him "jealous of Lance"?

Oh yeah, your man "Eddy M"? didn't he admit(as well as other heros from long ago), that he too doped, and it wasnt being tested back then? Hell, I think Anquitel and others have all said, they did something that could be considered doping, but no one says anything about that, why is it? Didnt some famous rider claim to be an asthmatic? and the "dope/drugs he did" were for his asthma? I guess you believe him too? It's "Greggy baby's" fault that guy probably got busted, right? What that means is...JUST ABOUT EVERYONE cheated, or "doped"(excuse me), to gain an edge? problem is, many former riders werent tested for EPOs/PEDS back then.

"Many failed business ventures", care to list them? he got **** on by Trek, the golf course he invested in, went belly up, how again is that his fault? He's at fault, b/c the dopes who went to him for an investment, were embezzling money from him, and others, and thats a "failed business for Greggy Baby"?

I find it ironic, you and other "Lemond bashers" seem to "overlook" that Lance was paying himself from his own foundation? Millions of dollars a year, and his only explanation was/is: "Im a celebrity, I should be paid for this work". Notice how none of that is mentioned anywhere? (I wear glasses, and I cleaned my lenses 3 times, and still couldnt find that info mentioned anywhere) Thats not how foundations work, but ok Lance. Oh wait, lemme guess, thats "Greggy Baby's" fault too? Love how Greg gets blamed for stuff others have done. Do your homework, LA was QUESTIONED several times about the "Live Strong Foundation" and him receiving unjust/improper revenue/payments from it, for himself. THAT is called "Fraud", kinda like what he's done to all the LA hangers on, who worship the ground he walks on? LA is a fraud...but hey, that's probably "Greggy Baby's" fault too, right?

Please...stop painting Lemond out as if he's the only rider in history to question another rider. EVERYONE who rode for LA's teams, pretty much admitted LA doped, yet, the ONLY one who hasn't is who? LA himself, wheres their backlash? Oh I get it, it's "Greggy baby's" fault?

Gimme a freakin break. You are completely clueless.

LOL, up for post of the year.

How was he a "tool"? You do know what being a "tool" means right? it means you're being played a fool, how is Greg Lemond being fooled? If anything, Armstrong fans are being played for fools, so, they can be considered "tools"?

The guy questions another riders legitimacy, and honesty, and he's trashed for it? Sorry, I dont "get" that. Greg's obviously still passionate about the sport, so he should just sit there, with his mouth closed, and not say anything? not question anything?

Again, how does this make him a "tool", care to explain?

Haha, okay nice rant.

I guess given your user name you could hardly do less!

Thank you....jesus christ I just want to ****ing hit people in the ****ing heads with a cinder block, when they start talking **** about something, they know NOTHING about. The "Lemond is a tool" BS isn't funny....it's actually totally false, and untrue. Again, thre guy's done NOTHING different, than anyone else here, wouldnt do in a heartbeat if given the same chance to. If he's a "tool", then so are many pro athletes(Armstrong included)? Oh My Goodness, I've just said somethingf bad about "America's golden boy" haven't I? Uh oh, Now I'll hear it for sure. Armstrong is as much a "tool" if not a BIGGER one, than Lemond ever could be.

Yes, im a fan, and I will be critical of Greg when it calls for it, but I will also praise him, and support him when it calls for it. if Greg is being a ******, i will admit it, and say so . But, christ on a bicycle, I've had it up to here with all the "Lemond sucks, he's a POS, he's a tool...blah blah blah.... he's not a hero.....". STFU already....the guy WAS american cycling, for almost 10 years. Lance followed Greg, NOT the other way around. he's still VERY well known from something he won over 20+ years ago.

How did Michael Jordan contribute to his dad getting whacked?

He owed a shady dude ALOT of $$$from golfing debts. Guy got tired of waiting, for his airness to pay him, the guys involved in the robbery/death of his father? Were linked to the guy Jordan owed $$ to. Ill let you take it from there.

Do you have a link to a story?

I could write a book here, but I'll just stick to a few points.

Boring:
http://stevethebikeguy.com/wp-conten...eL2-small1.jpg

Any bike brand that does this kind of work is not boring. Well done Trek for green-lighting this project usually done by small boutique brands.


Brand:
LeMond was at one time the 5th largest bike brand in the US.
Trek dropped the rights to LeMond accessories, so Greg made a deal with a firm (PTI) to continue non-bike merchandise which pissed Trek off. PTI screwed it up with deals like Target which Greg disliked.

Reputation:
Greg was telling it like he saw it. It's speculation that he was doing it out of spite for having Armstrong beat his TdF record (through outside means), but I can't argue it certainly looked that way. Plus I think we'd all be a bit irritated by it. Nevertheless, when even Bicycling magazine and Bill Strickland come out and stitch together a mountain of evidence, which LeMond kept randomly discharging, suddenly he shouldn't look so crazy. While I'd rather have the past stay in the past at this point, the Grand Jury and case against Armstrong might be on its way to give LeMond a huge "told you so" moment - but that too is speculation.

However, because Greg was in the Trek family he unfortunately needed to bite his tongue I think. It would have have been tough but the appropriate thing to do given the business relationship. For instance, radio talk show hosts never bad mouth a colleague even if they are on opposite ends of opinion.

Person:
If you ever get to meet Greg or hear him talk, blank your mind of any misconceptions and then judge. He is just a nice guy and awesome cycling figure.

:lol: that was a fun show!

I feel like it's not Greg who's at fault for speaking the truth.

Lance is the bad guy in this story - and to my mind it is appropriate that Trek should suffer for having hitched their reputation to his even after the truth became clear.