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well... that took forever. (tube change)

Old 12-04-11, 09:42 AM
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well... that took forever. (tube change)

not even the 1st month of cycling and i already got a flat. got a piece of glass puncture it.

took me an hour to change a tube while constantly replaying a youtube tutorial. lol

oh well, at least i'll be more confident riding longer distances alone. when i did my long ride to the LA zoo, i had my buddy and i was gonna depend on him if i did get a flat.

i had a really hard time removing the tire as well as when it came to putting back the last part of the tire/tube. but did the checklist on the video and i was happy it turned out that my installation was good.
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Old 12-04-11, 09:46 AM
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Keep practicing that -- 1 hour is quite a long time. Be sure not to damage your tube with skewers if you have a tight rim to tire bead contact.
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Old 12-04-11, 10:01 AM
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Also, going forward, you might investigate finding a tire that is more friendly from a removal standpoint. If you do various searches you'll see that some rim/tire combinations can be difficult, while other tires can be R&R'ed without tools.
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Old 12-04-11, 10:03 AM
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i hope this doesn't happen to me very often.

but if it does, is worth getting those gatorskin tires?

i don't plan to race but i do wanna go faster. are slicks very weak against debris?
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Old 12-04-11, 10:23 AM
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Flats are part of riding. Embrace them, don't fear them.

If it took you an hour you need more practice at home.


Gatorskins suck and they don't flat less than other tires, in my experience.
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Old 12-04-11, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by vermilionx View Post
i hope this doesn't happen to me very often.

but if it does, is worth getting those gatorskin tires?

i don't plan to race but i do wanna go faster. are slicks very weak against debris?
Bontrager also makes a very flat resistant tire the Race Lite Hardcase or Race XXX Lite Hardcase.

In my opinion though flat resistant tires have such negative ride qualities that it's worth it to just go with a softer, higher performance tire and deal with the flats.

The flat resistant tires are much heavier. They are also much stiffer and the material is much harder, so they don't grip as well (especially when fully inflated to max pressure).
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Originally Posted by ericm979 View Post
Flats are part of riding. Embrace them, don't fear them.

If it took you an hour you need more practice at home.


Gatorskins suck and they don't flat less than other tires, in my experience.
I like Conti Gaterskins; reasonable ride and reasonable puncture resistance. I ride gravel roads all the time on my 700 x 25 Gators with no problems at all. That being said, no matter what kind of tire you pick, you WILL get more flats. But you WILL get faster at fixing them with practice. Just make sure you're prepared for flats on every ride. Maybe you could visit a bike shop and watch them fix a few flats. They're usually willing to give pointers and demos.
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thanks a lot for the advice.

i'll check out those bontragers.
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Here's the math:

>R=>F

Where R = riding and F= flats.
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Old 12-04-11, 03:21 PM
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Don't worry - I had a flat on my very first group ride on my new bike, and got dropped 20 miles from home. And I had no idea how to change my tire. Also took me nearly an hour the first time.

If you do it at home to practice, you'll get it down to 10 minutes if not a lot less very quickly.

Gatorskins are helpful but they're not bulletproof - you'll still get pinch flats occasionally (at least I have, even though I run Gatorskins at proper psi all the time.) Part of how hard it is to get the tire off is also the wheel - I can get my Gatorskins off my wheels no problem with no tools, but I've handled other folks' wheels where I couldn't get the tire off without having to nearly destroy the tire in the process.

It does get a lot easier, but the best thing to do is to sit down when you're watching a movie some time and practice getting that tire on/off over and over again for 30 minutes. You get good at it quickly. Just take off your front wheel and next time you're watching a movie, just mess with it at the same time. You'll figure it out.
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If I were you I would take the tire off again and try again. Do this several times. You might think I'm joking but I am being completely serious. Knowing how to change a tube and being efficient at it is a necessity, especially if you start doing group rides. I flatted today, about three minutes later I was back on the bike which resulted in minimum waiting for the guy I was riding with.

As far as how often flats happen, I have had approximately 10 - 15 flats so far this year. I really don't even get bummed out any more, it's just part of the sport.
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Old 12-04-11, 03:55 PM
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I use the cheapest tires I can find(from nashbar they were ~$12). I use tire liners($10) and I have not gotten a flat for over 4500 miles.
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I use the cheapest tires I can find(from nashbar they were ~$12). I use tire liners($10) and I have not gotten a flat for over 4500 miles.
I suspect that can work well, but I also suspect that you do not have very supple feedback from the road. It's a tradeoff, generally tires that perform better are going to be more flat prone. IMO the best balance is the conti gp4000s, but this is probably tilting more towards performance.
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Keep practicing. Sit down in front of the tv and watch something while doing it over and over again. It used to take me 30 minutes with someone guiding me. I'm down to 5 minutes now.
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You'll get better with practice. When I got new tires, it took more than 1.5 hours from start to finish. I can now change a tire in 15-20 minutes. Don't forget to feel inside the tire for glass or other object that pierced your tire. I've had two flats in 2000 miles in my Gatorskins. Each one was a piece of glass that left a 1-2 mm slash in my tire. The second flat wasn't surprising; I rode through a 1/4 mile stretch of glass shards in the bike path with no way to avoid them. Fortunately, I made it to work before the tire was flat. My first flat required changing on the road. The hardest part was inflating the tire.
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I suspect that can work well, but I also suspect that you do not have very supple feedback from the road. It's a tradeoff, generally tires that perform better are going to be more flat prone. IMO the best balance is the conti gp4000s, but this is probably tilting more towards performance.
I have tried GP4000s before. Definitely not worth the money.
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The Vittoria Zaffiro tires that came stock on my Bianchi were a bit tight to get on/off the rim. On the other hand the Hutchinson tires on my Cannondale are super easy. No tire levels required.
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Good that you learend how to do it. Now, work on getting faster. An hour is a long time. If I need to I can usually fix a flat (with a new tube and C02) in about 2 minutes.

On more than one occassion, on a pretty fast group ride, we've flatted, and still chased back on. Obviously, when the group is moving away from you in the mid 20's every second counts.
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Fast way to fix a flat: https://youtu.be/MLTE56CQ-Ks
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The Vittoria Zaffiro tires that came stock on my Bianchi were a bit tight to get on/off the rim. On the other hand the Hutchinson tires on my Cannondale are super easy. No tire levels required.
Vittoria Zaffario tires came with my CAAD9. I could never remove them, they were wayyyy too rigid.
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Originally Posted by ericm979 View Post
Flats are part of riding. Embrace them, don't fear them.
If it took you an hour you need more practice at home.
Gatorskins suck and they don't flat less than other tires, in my experience.
Bingo. Change tubes in the garage until you get it right and you won't fear them on the road. My first one probably took 20 or 30 minutes 40 years ago. I can do it now in four consistently, with a frame-fit pump. Don't rely on CO2 cartridges (you'll eventually have one more flat than you have carts), and don't dick around with mini-pumps unless you need the exercise. My best mini takes four times the strokes of my old, reliable Zefal hPx.
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yeah, my fuji sl1 pro came with vittoria zaffiro tires. i see here that they commonly harder to work with.

thanks.
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+1 on just rolling with the flow when it comes to flats. You will get better at changing them. I seem to get them in groups. I'll go a couple months without and then get a couple in a week or so.

Also, riding on wet roads increases the frequency of flats dramatically because sharp stuff tends to stick to the tires. There were only 3 of us dumb enough to show up for our group this weekend in the rain and wind. 2 of us got flats.
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Originally Posted by johnny99 View Post
Fast way to fix a flat: https://youtu.be/MLTE56CQ-Ks
You can see how easy that rim-to-tire combination is when he puts it back on. Some rims make that impossible.
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Agreed, winter is worse. I usually get 0 flats in the summer, winter I get at least 4-5.
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