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What if budding musicians asked the same questions as new cyclists?

Old 01-14-12, 01:01 PM
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The cycling musicians come out of the woodwork. I'm lovin' it!
The reason my handle is c3hamby is because I own a Hammond C3 organ, and had one previous to that which I used to cart around Austin.
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I like that my expertise is in a field where I can legitimately answer stupid questions with "because you'll die." People catch on so much quicker.
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I like that my expertise is in a field where I can legitimately answer stupid questions with "because you'll die." People catch on so much quicker.
True enough.
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Originally Posted by c3hamby View Post
The reason my handle is c3hamby is because I own a Hammond C3 organ, and had one previous to that which I used to cart around Austin.
Post pics of that beast. Do you have any Leslies? Which models?
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Originally Posted by on the path View Post
The cycling musicians come out of the woodwork.
I'm staying in the woodwork.
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So, what trumpet is good for a 6th grader playing middle school band/ jazz band ? Reasonable price ?
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
So, what trumpet is good for a 6th grader playing middle school band/ jazz band ? Reasonable price ?
Conn Student trumpet, new around 750 dollars. Check out Wichita Band Company, Wichita,KA. Very decent and honest folks, will give you good deals and can get a solid used for 395 to 595 dollars.
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Grumpy Wanna-be a year ago:
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Conn Student trumpet, new around 750 dollars. Check out Wichita Band Company, Wichita,KA. Very decent and honest folks, will give you good deals and can get a solid used for 395 to 595 dollars.
He currently is renting (with option to buy) a Jupiter JTM 600m, but not sure how good it is.
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
He currently is renting (with option to buy) a Jupiter JTM 600m, but not sure how good it is.
A good trumpet on a par with the conn. The site I gave you has a 1949 Conn student on sale for 294. Interesting thing is the lower level then was considerably better than the new advanced models. Don't ignore the used market, some really great values.
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
So, what trumpet is good for a 6th grader playing middle school band/ jazz band ? Reasonable price ?
Starting out or advancing? For a beginner, find a used Olds Ambassador...arguably the best student horn ever made. Can be found in pretty good shape for a few hundred dollars. I just saw one listed on a trumpet site for $325 in excellent condition. You can probably find one cheaper. For an advancing student, I'd have to know how much you want to spend. You can get a great pro level horn for midway between $1k and $2k.
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wut?
They never answer that question. Why bother?
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They never answer that question. Why bother?
wut?
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Originally Posted by on the path View Post
Starting out or advancing? For a beginner, find a used Olds Ambassador...arguably the best student horn ever made. Can be found in pretty good shape for a few hundred dollars. I just saw one listed on a trumpet site for $325 in excellent condition. You can probably find one cheaper. For an advancing student, I'd have to know how much you want to spend. You can get a great pro level horn for midway between $1k and $2k.
Starting out ... thanks I would say $500 limit for now .... not sure if he'll stick with it yet. He's really into music now, but he can be fickle.
We can buy the Jupiter for $450

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wut?
wut's the question ?
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They either start asking such questions as in the opening post, or they try playing for about ten minutes and realize that it's gonna take a lot of work to stop sucking.

The most dangerous ones are the kids who are finishing high school and looking to get into college for music. They're the ones who ask, say, "What's the best mouthpiece?" the most often. They think that the equipment matters, but they haven't yet seen how a pro can play them under the table with their own student rental.
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Your description of typical classical education is not unknown to me, but I find it to really limiting, and just plain sad. I think we might agree that it stiffles creativity and innovation. Those are the elements that keep music moving in a forward direction, rather than clinging on to centuries old traditions. I like hearing new musical ideas. Unfortunately in the last 25 years or so I have heard little that is indeed new, but I have heard a few things that I like.
I see it not as "clinging", but "preservation". There are plenty of musicians to go around, after all, and some can push progression while others serve as what I've begun calling a living historical document.

The President's Own United States Marine Band, as an example, plays Stars And Stripes the same way that they've been playing it for the past dozen decades or so. The Army's Fife and Drum Corps does the same kind of thing, but with a much older style of instrumentation.
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Oh, I think a lot of you guys would get a kick out of this -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnsEZ9q2hOc

Pete Barbutti on the Tonight Show.
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Equipment definitely matters. I can play a good piano from morning until evening. A crappy one makes me leave after 3 minutes.
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Equipment definitely matters. I can play a good piano from morning until evening. A crappy one makes me leave after 3 minutes.
A good piano won't enable me to play piano any better than I already do -- which is bad.
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....some can push progression while others serve as what I've begun calling a living historical document.
I'm all for tradition, and consider myself old-school in regards to many things musical. But the concepts of honoring tradition, and the push for progress, need to exist within the individual to properly serve the music.

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The President's Own United States Marine Band, as an example, plays Stars And Stripes the same way that they've been playing it for the past dozen decades or so. The Army's Fife and Drum Corps does the same kind of thing, but with a much older style of instrumentation.
True. It's also true that at least some of the military bands use contemporary musical arrangements. I have 2 friends that have written modern arrangements specifically for US military bands.
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Originally Posted by rat fink View Post
Post pics of that beast. Do you have any Leslies? Which models?
This is a pic of my Hammond C3 at home. My dad was working at a funeral home and the manager told my dad he wished that someone would just come and get the organ out of his way. All I had to do was rent a U Haul and take it from Houston to Austin. I don't have any Leslies currently, besides the portable Leslie that I sometimes use with my Hammond XK3. At church I play on an A100 with a Leslie 147 that sounds sweeter than honey.

I'll try resposting the pic later....
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After all the talk in this thread I decided to trade in my modern Gretsch and picked up a PRS McCarty 58. Heaven.
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Originally Posted by on the path View Post
The cycling musicians come out of the woodwork. I'm lovin' it!

Okay, since everyone mentioned PRS, here's a pic of my guitars, including my 1998 PRS CE24MT


Here's something that might put all this blather into perspective: I've been a professional musician for over 30 years...and yet I spent more money on my bicycle than I ever did on any musical instrument!
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Thanks to the idea behind this thread I've been listening to music a little more carefully and getting a bit more appreciation out of it. Thanks for the bump fellas, especially GMT for getting the conversation rolling.
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