I'm also wondering where the brakes are going to go?
If you find that the bars don't work for you just fit it with a flat bar and put some bar ends on it, you won't have to stretch out to shift.

yes the Salsa cyclocross levers are on their way as we speak

I think you're fixing the wrong problem. If it worked, great. From the photos, though, it looks like your frame is too small (too much seatpost showing) and the bars are WAY too low. You'd probably get instant relief from raising the existing drop bars.
The original point of drops, long forgotten now, was to allow comfortable cruising with the tops about level with the saddle, but provide for an aero position on the drops. Over the years, manufacturers have lowered them so the TOPS are nearly where the DROPS belong. The trend toward smaller and smaller frames exacerbates any problems. I'd be surprised if you're ever really comfortable on that bike.

thanks thats an interesting point- I have raised the bars by inverting the stem but I dont know how the bar could be raised any further without buying a new fork (ouch the expense-I should have just bought a Porsche). Despite the height of the saddle I think the next size of frame up would be too big as when I stand over the top tube I can only lift the bike a couple of cm before I start having to sing soprano.

I should have thought more about fitting before buying sigh but I will just have to make the best of what I have for now :o


Edit- maybe the compact style of frame makes it look worse but I dont think the fit can be so off. The fit of the bike now does not look so different to my commuter (see pic). I have ridden many thousands of km on this bike with no problems whatsoever. This bike has slightly more seatpost showing than the Lemond.

I was thinking about doing the bull horn thing to, but I was worried that I would be in the "semi aero" position to be comfortable for my horrendous back

I agree with VeloDog. Your bike probably doesn't fit too well. The amount of seatpost showing and the number of spacers under the stem are dead giveaways. I can't see how it is possible that you have that much seatpost showing and only a cm or two of standover. I tried to make do with a little bike for a long time, but it just never worked for me.

I dont want to bore everyone with my bike fitting issues again but here are some pics of me on the bike

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=72206

I think the bike may have been one size too big for you. On second thought, the bike looks too small. Whatever it is, the fitting would have uncovered this problem.

It's possible you could have resolved the problem by raising the saddle pointing slightly upward. This inexpensive solution would have worked until you could find a shorter stem and smaller handlbar. With the saddle pointing slightly upward, you would be sitting further back with less or no pressure on the hands.

I have a bike that was too big and and the pressure riding on the hoods comes from a size that's too big.

Good observation....

I think he might have solved his problem regarding the hoods with a shorter stem and smaller handlebar.

Are you sure those brake levers will work for this application? The Salsa levers are designed to work as a second set of levers on the tops, and rely on the cable being anchored at the primary brake lever. These top mount cylocross levers work by pushing the housing, not pulling the cable like regular levers. You will need to come up with some way to anchor the cable; it's possible that it will be held by the clamp body, but making that a secure anchor could be an issue.

You certainly can dissasemble STI levers, it's the reassembly that is impossible :-) don't ask how i know that.

hmm, thanks Alibi- I see what you mean and will clarify this with the supplier and possibly change the order- it is tricker than it looks this bike modification- one thing always leads to something else and this something else usually involves more expense :mad:

I hate to mention this, but did you try raising your handlebars and/or shortening your stem extension? Either of these helps to raise you to a more upright position, thus putting more weight on your butt rather than on your hands. From your description of your troubles in this:

It sounds like the reach for you was too much? Or am I misreading this?

What I thought about doing at one time , is using straight bar-ends to mount the shifters. You could position them near the stem, and use brakes made for aerobars. You could stiil use the tops, and have better braking. I hate drops too!

I tried raising the handlebars by raising the stem and this helped a lot but I dont think I can ever learn to love drop bars. I can see the advantage of having two different heights of grip but every time my hands just touched the bars they made their displeasure known. I also hated being so far from the brakes. It just felt wrong and dangerous. It was getting so that is was putting me off riding :eek: I just found them hard uncomfortable and impractical. They just dont work for me. I am just a cycling freak :o .

I have had another cunning plan though with the bike set up (dont say that I ignore your advice Sydney). I just telephoned Paul components and spoke to a very nice sounding lady who said that my thumbies are in the post YEEEESS (well she sounded very credible). So now I have cancelled the cyclocross levers and will use the Profile design bar end brakes (see the pic). The barcons I will mount using the thumbies near the stem (you will just have to imagine those as they are not here yet).

I think Alibi was right anyway about the Salsa cyclcross levers (thanks). I e-mailed the dealer and they seemed to think they would work but I didnt believe them and cancelled them.

I am really looking forward to trying out the new set up.

I'm not a fit expert but that bike sure looks like it to small.

I concur

Royal

did you check that the set-up of your Lemond mirrors that of the comfy Kuwahara? Especially regarding seat height and distance from saddle tip to bars?

I also notice your comfy bike has springy forks and the Lemond looks a bit stiff, at least by comparison.

I usually trace any unusual aches and pains on a new bike to casual set-up, rather than different components- say if I'm over-extending my back or pressuring my shoulders, hands and wrists, on a longer frame, bar and stem combination.

Getting less road shock, transmitted through the frame to your body, is always good. At some point you may have to go beyond padding and shortening the bars, raising stems and the like(good old quill stems, eh?). Tough road surfaces and unforgiving frames are going to punish anyone; question is- do you want to put up with the pain, alleviate or eradicate it?

You may have to change all the variables, in turn, until the culprit is revealed. Hope it doesn't take too long, or cost too much.

thats a good idea- I will try that straight away- I think you are right about the forks being quite stiff- the first time I hit a pothole with them I thought I had broken my wrists. Though I dont want to totally blame the forks as probably my bad bike posture was also to blame not to mention my 220 lbs.

me too- thanks for the comments everyone- like I said I did not want to bore you all again with my bike fitting problems-I should have thought a bit more about it before buying a bike but you live and learn. Even if the bike is a little small the situation should not be terminal as you can adjust the position of the bars. I was looking at stem extenders and adjustable angle stems-Ritchey do one and I e-mailed them and they said it fits 25.8 mm bars so it it should fit on my 26.0 mm ones. But I will see how it goes with what I have.

You mean like these?

http://www.excelsports.com/image/Cin...Aero%20bar.jpg

i tried the tt bars for awhile i couldnt wait to get back into the drops. i live in japan where the people dont look where there going and dont signal at all. i felt more safe with the drops because you can brake and shift all from the same position. with the tt you have to move your hands to shift.

i used to rock bullhorns on my roadie. they're great for riding in traffic. positively AWESOME for sprinting. not so great for climbs though...although YMMV. i had my 105 STIs mounted on there and had no problems using them. actually, that setup rocked so much...i'm almost sad that i switched to road drops.

....almost.

FALSE!

cross levers can work without having the cable anchored to a "primary lever." they usually have a little ferrule cut out where the cable anchoring nub can fit snuggly. then you just run cable housing the regular way from the other side of the lever and off you go. many fixed gear riders do this setup and it works perfectly.

but from the looks of it, royal already has primary brake levers set up (the TT levers), and his plans will work out just fine. though, i'd like to suggest picking up a set of the tektro 'cross levers as they're less expensive.