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Old 12-18-04, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by steveknight
here is what I did but I have my brakes where I am at most of the time. in some ways this is better then riding on the hoods and some ways worse. I found I could put more pressure on my hands when on the hoods. in this setup I have to be a little more upright. but since I am overweight and I don't use the drops this worked out ok. shifting is mroe accurate with the bar ends I think you don't overshift and you know what grear your in always. plus you can shift the whole way in one stroke.
but to get the cables hidden I had to have the brake levers facing backwards. I think I would change them back facing the other way for better leverage. or use brake levers for v brakes.
Man,you got all kinds of stuff there.
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Old 12-18-04, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by MERTON
also why don't they make bar end brakes that can have bar end shifters mounted in them?

to be honest i thought the bar end brakes would take the shifters thats why I originally bought the bar end shifters and the bar end brakes but obviously they don`t.
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Originally Posted by shokhead
Man,you got all kinds of stuff there.
(G) this was my only bike and I do a lot of commuting on it. lots of night riding.
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Wouldn't it have been easier just to raise your stem?
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I fitted my OLD Peugeot with a set of bars by Dave Scott (a triathlete star of the 70's who did some of the first refinements of road bikes for triathlon use) - They include a drop position as well as MANY others, including an aero spot. They're alloy bars, and NOT a minimalist weight-saving approach, but sure give me a lot of usable bar/hand postions. If you're curious, let me know and I'll snap a picture.
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Old 12-19-04, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Adgooroo
I fitted my OLD Peugeot with a set of bars by Dave Scott . . . If you're curious, let me know and I'll snap a picture.
I'm curious--could you please post a pic?
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Yeah, you do it. You do it and like it.
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Well, I say bullhorns rock. Drops are nice, but I won't be riding on them any time soon - it'll take a second bike before I branch out from my cutoff bullhorns.
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Originally Posted by royalflash
thanks thats an interesting point- I have raised the bars by inverting the stem but I dont know how the bar could be raised any further without buying a new fork.
I should have thought more about fitting before buying sigh but I will just have to make the best of what I have for now
I just went through this with my 5200. With the seat in the correct position, the drops (which is what I prefer), were 6" below the seat level! The guy cut the stem too short so I had to get a stem extender. Just got the bike back from the LBS, and the ride is much better, less aching palms.
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Originally Posted by royalflash
what do you guys think of this set up -any suggestions for improvements?
With someone using a setup like that on a racing bike, I think I came back to the wrong forums. Suggestions? Buy a girlie bike so you can mount w/o lifting your legs, and also have a completely upright riding position. Zero carpal problems there. Why buy a nice bike you cannot even properly use? More money than brains?
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Originally Posted by Maj.Taylor
With someone using a setup like that on a racing bike, I think I came back to the wrong forums. Suggestions? Buy a girlie bike so you can mount w/o lifting your legs, and also have a completely upright riding position. Zero carpal problems there. Why buy a nice bike you cannot even properly use? More money than brains?
Wow that was unnecessary. Buy a "girlie" bike - you mean a step through frame - like much of the rest of the utilitarian world uses? Not a bad idea... and you're right - no carpel tunnel syndrome, I ride one sometimes - its very nice and does the trick... "more money than brains" - that pretty much defines the American market on about everything - including bicycles it seems. Carbon this, carbon that, grams grams grams... The man is just looking to get comfortable on his ride - and that I subscribe to. Unlike many people it seems who would rather ride in pain to look like a "professional" or look cool, or have a cool looking bike - to hell with that - ride and be comfortable - if that means step-through and upright - just fine, if that means bullhorns in place of drops - fine by me, that's my plan on my folder, I never use the actual drops on my current ride - so why bother? besides the bullhorns will allow me a better place to mount my internal gear shifter... that's right - internal gears... I have a gear hub on my road frame too - you have a problem with that too?
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There is a bike made for every type of riding. If one is not going to attempt to ride fast/train for competition/compete there is no need to ride a bike designed for that purpose.

I suggest instead of buying a new or used mid-to-high-end racing bike and modifying the crap out of it, just buy a bike more suitable for your intended use. If some physical issue like carple tunnel restricts the use of drop bars, buy a bike without them.

Here is a nice bike for all-around use:
https://www.konaworld.com/shopping_ca...5&parentid=182

If you can't get comfortable on this...
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Originally Posted by Maj.Taylor
With someone using a setup like that on a racing bike, I think I came back to the wrong forums. Suggestions? Buy a girlie bike so you can mount w/o lifting your legs, and also have a completely upright riding position. Zero carpal problems there. Why buy a nice bike you cannot even properly use? More money than brains?
Ah, the joys of a "girlie" bike. I took my eight year nephew for a bike ride to do some Christmas shopping Sunday. A choice between riding one of my 80ish road bikes, or his mom's "girlie" beach cruiser. Big, cushy tires. Wide, sprung saddle. Huge steel handlebars.

So, we had a nice ride to the mall. Sitting up straight, I could look at the holiday decorations on homes along the way. The big tires and saddle made it feel like I was relaxing on a sofa. The "girlie" frame made the endless waiting at red lights a bit easier - just step down and watch the traffic flow by. All we had with us was a cable lock - but, no worries. Who would steal a "girlie" bike?

Coming home, the wide bars did a good job of carrying our shopping bags. Most enjoyable ride of the week - thank goodness for "girlie" bikes.

Riding bikes is about "suffering" and "pain"? Well, that is ONE way to ride bikes.
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Originally Posted by Maj.Taylor
With someone using a setup like that on a racing bike, I think I came back to the wrong forums. Suggestions? Buy a girlie bike so you can mount w/o lifting your legs, and also have a completely upright riding position. Zero carpal problems there. Why buy a nice bike you cannot even properly use? More money than brains?
Hi Major - I thought you had decided that the bike forum was beneath you- I knew you couldnt stay away for long though . Thanks for the suggestion but at the weekend I feel the need for speed if you know what I mean. Jut cuz I want a nice fast bike that doesn´t cause me physical damage doesnt make me stupid IMHO.

I´ll tell you why I have bought a nice bike that I can´t (in your opinion what ever it means) "properly" use. Because I love cycling-I love the feeling of independence, the sense of achievement of getting though the pain, the time to think, the simple perfection of the bicycle, the adrenaline rush of cycling fast, of feeling fit and healthy and experiencing nature and just being alive.

This may not be a "proper" use for a bicycle for you Major but it is for me.
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Originally Posted by robertsdvd
Wow that was unnecessary. Buy a "girlie" bike - you mean a step through frame - like much of the rest of the utilitarian world uses? Not a bad idea... and you're right - no carpel tunnel syndrome, I ride one sometimes - its very nice and does the trick... "more money than brains" - that pretty much defines the American market on about everything - including bicycles it seems. Carbon this, carbon that, grams grams grams... The man is just looking to get comfortable on his ride - and that I subscribe to. Unlike many people it seems who would rather ride in pain to look like a "professional" or look cool, or have a cool looking bike - to hell with that - ride and be comfortable - if that means step-through and upright - just fine, if that means bullhorns in place of drops - fine by me, that's my plan on my folder, I never use the actual drops on my current ride - so why bother? besides the bullhorns will allow me a better place to mount my internal gear shifter... that's right - internal gears... I have a gear hub on my road frame too - you have a problem with that too?
He was rather harsh, wasn't he? Maybe he's one of those guys that equates the epitome of manhood with incredible discomfort and pain, that if he's too comfortable someone is going to think--that he's too comfortable!

And I betcha you've got a great "gear hub" too! What ever works to keep you riding--I say go for it.
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It took me a while to get used to drop bars.

What I found is to not set them at dead on vertically, instead rotate them to better fit your hands.

Also, hoods are tricky...there is a very specific way to hold them. Due to some hand breaks I had a while back I found that I am more comfortable on the right hood when my pinky is wrapped around the drop section of the bar...as weird as it sounds, that was what worked for me, and a good example of why experimentation is key to a good fit on drop bars.

For what it's worth, I dont use aero bars, I have the old school style drops, thin bar....what is prolly considered the most uncomfortable..and with a combo of minimally padded gloves, and finding out the right positioning for me, it's a very comfortable ride...actually at the end of a long day, on the hoods riding till I cant ride anymore (about 4-5 hours for me), my feet hurt more than my hands, heck even my biceps hurt more than my hands .
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Originally Posted by Maj.Taylor
With someone using a setup like that on a racing bike, I think I came back to the wrong forums. Suggestions? Buy a girlie bike so you can mount w/o lifting your legs, and also have a completely upright riding position. Zero carpal problems there. Why buy a nice bike you cannot even properly use? More money than brains?
Sometimes I think Major Taylor has a little "Top Gun" in him.

Hardcore Elitism..........trying to get on the Level of the Top Gun SChool of Cycling.
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Ok nearly there now- I just have to fit the rubber grips and I can try it out-

I have fitted the Paul Component thumbies and the Dura Ace SL-BS77 bar end shifters. The bar end brakes are Profile Design Quick Stop 2

dare I say it? what do you think before I cut the cables down and fit the rubber grips (which don´t come off)- any suggestions about how the set up could be improved e.g. cable routing (please no more buy a girlie beach cruiser type comments).

I think it even looks quite good (maybe even better than before) even Major Taylor surely can´t raise any objections on aesthetic grounds?

I can´t try it properly yet as Munich is covered in snow at the moment and I am not convinced about this thin tyres cutting through the snow theory so I will continue to ride my MTB with studded tyres for now.
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Originally Posted by robertsdvd
I have a gear hub on my road frame too - you have a problem with that too?
How'd you manage that, did you buy a normal bike, and lace the internal hub into the rear wheel or what? Are there any external gears as well e.g. 3 x 7 Nexus.
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Dear Major Taylor,

I ride an old 80's bike. I use this bike because I can. I love this bike. I haven't raced in a while, but I still have a bike set to race. Do you know why I have a bike like this? Because I took the time to fix it up. I had the satisfaction of putting an entire winter of wrench time on the thing. I could just buy a bike from my LBS and go off doing the Die-Hard thing, climbing hills, tailing cars, heck I could even pass them if I was half the man that you were. But I'm not. I just see all these bikes at yard sales that are falling apart, and I buy them, I fix them up and I give them another year of rides. I let those bikes become bikes again. I always end up selling them for less than I put into them. But it's the principle of doing the work that I ride these bikes for. I love road bikes, I love racing, but that's not what drives me to use these types of bikes. A true passion drives me, a passion to create, and if that means that I'm not the RAMBO of bikes, I guess that I'm with others on this board.

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Originally Posted by lisitsa
How'd you manage that, did you buy a normal bike, and lace the internal hub into the rear wheel or what? Are there any external gears as well e.g. 3 x 7 Nexus.
Its an old Puch road frame I picked up a few years back, rear wheel is a nice simple Sachs 3 speed with a shifter mounted on a Spacegrip on the drops in front. 3 to 5 speeds is all I need to get around.
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Originally Posted by qmsdc15
Royal, it's looking good to me! I would turn the shifters around, like they were designed to be used. Swap left and right so the round part is in front of the handlebar. You will be able to reach the levers with your thumbs while your hands are holding the handlebar. In the picture, the lever is right over the bar but they are near the end of their range of motion. Don't they get too far from the bars when you shift to large cog or large chainring? Beside ergometrics, you are more likely to hit lever with knees when you are on big ring or big cog the way you have it now.
thanks for the suggestion I will think about it- are you sure though you are looking at the picture the right way round? the way I put them on looks like the picture on the Paul component site (attached).

also this is Istanbul-Tea´s set up which looks the same as mine


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Sorry dude, I'm going blind. I didn't open the thumbnails and I thought the last picture was taken from in front of the bike. Looks even nicer when I opened the pictures. An elegant solution to a too small frame except guess what? It's not to small anymore! Drops do suck, I also ride a down-sized frame, mine has flat bars. The frame can be a little more compact if you don't want or need drop bars. Girlie man!
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Damn, that bike is phat! I would use cork tape rather than mtb grip. I might add Salsa Intercepter lever on the front brake so I could slow down in the cruising position, but more likely would get used to the set-up as is before I got around to spending on more brake levers.
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Originally Posted by qmsdc15
Damn, that bike is phat!
what does phat mean ??? is that good or bad
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