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Car didn't look left...

Old 01-31-12, 10:53 PM
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Car didn't look left...

Hi Everyone,

Last Tuesday, I was riding my baby home from work, in the bike lane, about 13-15mph, when a car decided to pull a right turn out of a driveway without looking for cyclists. I hit the left taillight area of the car and was launched over my handlebars. The driver of the car certainly felt this, as his next move was to floor it. Now I'm stuck repairing my bike.

Pictures of my pre-crashed bike are below. I generally have Shimano 105 pedals on there, by the way. Not sure why I took these pictures without them.

The reason why I post this thread isn't necessarily to tell my story, but I thought you all would appreciate that.

It's really about the damage. I'm fine, besides a sprained wrist and some bruises. Not sure how I managed to fall in a way that I didn't get hurt, it was a nasty crash. Problem is, my bike took some damage. My front fork is done, and I'm replacing it with a Fuji FC 770 Carbon fork w/ alloy steerer and drop-outs. I've painted the fork black, and I'm waiting for it to dry before I put it back on and finally start riding again. I don't mind having a black fork on there, but I do foresee myself missing the LEMOND letters on the front of the fork. Does anyone know where I may be able to find red decals that can serve this purpose?

Also, does anyone have experience with this fork?

One last thing...My front wheel is still perfectly true and didn't take any noticeable damage! Cheers to the Ksyrium Elites!
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Old 01-31-12, 11:53 PM
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Was this a residential or commercial driveway? If commercial, single tenant building or multiple?
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Old 02-01-12, 12:10 AM
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I forgot to include that, It was commercial, multiple tenants. One business was the DMV, so it's relatively busy. Crime has been reported.
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Old 02-01-12, 01:08 AM
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Wow. That is a really crappy experience, glad to hear it wasn't worse! That's pretty amazing that the wheel didn't sustain any damage either.
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Old 02-01-12, 01:13 AM
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Did you go back to the area and see if they have some sort of cctv? If it's a DMV I would like to think they have cameras in and around the building that might've caught some kind of evidence/footage.
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Old 02-01-12, 03:14 AM
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Hit and run is probably a felony. I hope the LEOs are taking this seriously. +1 on looking around for cameras and asking all businesses in the area if they have cameras. I can't imagine the DMV being helpful trying to identify the car.
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Old 02-01-12, 03:42 AM
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Glad there was no more damage than there was and you got away relatively unscathed. Good idea to go back and check on cameras that might be in the area.
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It should be relatively easy to have vinyl decals custom made for your fork. You can then clear coat over them. Crashes like these are why I sometimes will run a front blinky even during the day. My experience has been that cars recognize you and treat you with more respect when I run front and rear lights when riding solo. Maybe it makes us more car-like.
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Old 02-01-12, 07:33 AM
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Glad to hear you're okay. Helmet cam would have helped make things very clear. It's one of the reasons why I wear one when I train.

Even close calls can be reported, as a courtesy. This is a grab off of a cam clip from a Contour HD (720p @ 60 fps); truck is going about 40-ish, we're going about 20-ish, and there's damaged pavement to the right (so we had to move out a touch). The plate is very clear in later frames. The police made a courtesy call to the driver.

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Originally Posted by carpediemracing View Post
The police made a courtesy call to the driver.

That is ridiculous... I hope the police put them through the ringer.
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In most states hit & run is a felony.

Unfortunately, without a plate number, video or witnesses, there's nothing the LEO's can do.

I think if you have your bike on your homeowner's insurance, you can file a claim for damage & medical there? Does anyone know if this is right?

BTW, the frame grab above really makes me angry. Like Bruce Banner angry.
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That is ridiculous... I hope the police put them through the ringer.
I hope the police put the driver on a bike and cruised past him just as close.
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Hey everyone. So I got my pride and joy back last night. The new fork is the same geometry// material composition as the icon air rail, but a bit stronger and stiffer, so I'm pretty happy with it. It also came with a taller steerer, so in going to slowly cut it down until I find the perfect position. Right now I have about 90mm of spacers sitting on it, doesn't exaclty look pretty. I called the detective, he said he would look into security tapes. I'm wondering why I have to advise a detective to investigate such a thing, but that's just life I guess.

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On a seperate note, I was taking apart a campy 8 sp rear der in order to straighten the pulley cage, and I lost one of the screws that secures the cage to the derailleur cogs. Does anyone know if current or 9sp screws would be compatible, or where to find that?
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Originally Posted by Dasi View Post
I called the detective, he said he would look into security tapes. I'm wondering why I have to advise a detective to investigate such a thing, but that's just life I guess.
The detective didn't do anything because to him YOU ARE A BIKE, not a person. You weren't injured, there's no readily available evidence, nor is there a witness. To him it's a lost cause he can throw on the back burner. You need to keep on him. Simple enough.
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I forgot to include that, It was commercial, multiple tenants. One business was the DMV, so it's relatively busy. Crime has been reported.
Bummer, but that makes sense. No one would be stupid enough to flee from their own driveway and hope to actually get away...

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I can't imagine the DMV being helpful
Me either.
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Old 02-02-12, 01:18 PM
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The detective didn't do anything because to him YOU ARE A BIKE, not a person. You weren't injured, there's no readily available evidence, nor is there a witness. To him it's a lost cause he can throw on the back burner. You need to keep on him. Simple enough.
I think you'd be surprised, san Luis obispo is a pretty bike friendly town, the cops think rather highly of cyclist, as there is a bike cop division of cyclists in SLOPD. My guess is that he just isn't a very competent detective, the better/veteran ones work on bigger cases.
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Well, I should put into context that the feeling probably comes from where you're located. I'm in Los Angeles/Long Beach where NO ONE likes cyclists. Even the judicial system. They only pretend they care because they have to.

I've experienced a bunch of horrible cops that treat cyclists more of annoyance. Reason why they don't care if you got hit (without injury/witnesses) and/or of your bike is stolen or you're robbed of it. Yet, when they need to fill their ticket quota that's the only time they pay attention to cyclists—because they're easy targets.
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Well, I should put into context that the feeling probably comes from where you're located. I'm in Los Angeles/Long Beach where NO ONE likes cyclists. Even the judicial system. They only pretend they care because they have to.

I've experienced a bunch of horrible cops that treat cyclists more of annoyance. Reason why they don't care if you got hit (without injury/witnesses) and/or of your bike is stolen or you're robbed of it. Yet, when they need to fill their ticket quota that's the only time they pay attention to cyclists—because they're easy targets.
I completely understand, I used to live in riverside and the van nuys/Sherman oaks area of LA. The difference between there and where I live now is black and white. There are exceptions of course, which is how this hit and. run situation began for me.
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... to avoid this perhaps you could use my motto: everyone else is stupid and not paying attention... if you want something to happen, you have to do it yourself. In this particular instance: regardless of what the car does or does not do... go around or slow down, they are likely not looking anyway and this allows you to continue un-fork-damaged. Case for point: A few weeks ago I was riding my typical 30mi evening ride. Traffic was being courteous the whole time; the offender: a MTB'r who cut right in front of me: this was not only Very confusing, but Very unexpected. He pulled out of a shopping complex and wasn't looking for bikes (just like car drivers) and I had to flatten a spot on my tubulars (I was pissed). Luck was that my tires rocked and I halted on a dime from 30mph (downhill...). This is just another example, I am sure there are many more. Don't assume they will act logically or rationally or honestly, because they don't.
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Originally Posted by mynameistaken View Post
That is ridiculous... I hope the police put them through the ringer.
Originally Posted by a1penguin View Post
I hope the police put the driver on a bike and cruised past him just as close.
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BTW, the frame grab above really makes me angry. Like Bruce Banner angry.
When we first visited the police station, they were very polite but quite adamant that there was nothing they could do. After all there were no impact, no hits, no nothing. And believe it or not, we understood. My teammate is a lawyer and knew that technically there was no rule broken (no 3 foot rule there, no impact, didn't seem intentional, etc).

That's when I asked the officer if he could take a look at the clip on my laptop. I had it preloaded so I let it play in real time (that caught his attention), then one frame at a time to show just how close it was (and my teammate was turning his shoulder in to his right - if he hadn't done that he'd have been tagged hard), then showed him the plate. The officer whipped out his notepad at that point and started taking down a bunch of info. You could even see the driver's profile, the various items in the back of the bed (all noted - it was basically neat but had different color fuel cans), etc. The officer said he'd go over right after we left - it'd be easier to confirm the vehicle if the same things were in the back of the pickup.

As a rider (and a driver) I don't run reds, I don't run stops, I stop on No Turn On Reds (even on the bike). I record virtually all my riding and driving time. I stand by everything I do on the bike. If there's a question about what I did (like if there's an accident) I'll gladly share my cam footage. I have nothing to hide. Therefore cam footage can only help me.

I totally stand by my helmet cam statement, about wearing one all the time. If you (generic you, not anyone here in particular) can stand behind all of your riding, then you should wear a cam. It can only help. It will never hurt you if you are not doing anything wrong.

If you cannot stand behind all your riding, then you're propagating the stereotype that cyclists are dangerous, that they don't obey traffic laws, etc. You damage my reputation; you encourage people to intentionally do stuff like this; you encourage public personalities to make anti-cyclist jokes and statements; you endanger funding for cycling infrastructure.

Think about what the benefit is when you break the rules. If it's a life and death situation, I understand. If you rolled through the No Right On Red because a dump truck behind you lost its brakes and was about to plow into all the cars behind you at 50 mph, I'd understand. But if you turn right because you don't feel like waiting, you deserve every bit of vitriolic hate directed your way.
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Originally Posted by LOGICK ONE View Post
Well, I should put into context that the feeling probably comes from where you're located. I'm in Los Angeles/Long Beach where NO ONE likes cyclists. Even the judicial system. They only pretend they care because they have to.

I've experienced a bunch of horrible cops that treat cyclists more of annoyance. Reason why they don't care if you got hit (without injury/witnesses) and/or of your bike is stolen or you're robbed of it. Yet, when they need to fill their ticket quota that's the only time they pay attention to cyclists—because they're easy targets.
the part about Long Beach is wrong, I agree with LA, but LB has been pretty bike friendly even with the law
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Not so much. Cops got super ticket happy for the longest time. I used to ride a old steel roadie on when I went to CSULB and used it to ride everywhere when I had errands to do. I remember every time I headed downtown to the art store a cop would always tail me and once stopped me and inspected my brakes. Long Beach has gotten better, but for the longest time (and I still think) they hated the fixed gear culture that's growing in that community. If you're not in lycra, on a bmx/mtb/beach cruiser you were on the LBPD's **** list.

Every time I was on my bike in the downtown/4th street/pike area, a cop would always stop me and/or follow me.

I used to do a lot of night rides when I was in school and every single time cops wouldn't want us on their streets, even though we had people checking the younger ones to make sure they were following the rules of the road.
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