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Old 02-23-12, 07:47 AM
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What is the difference between a racing tire and a training tire? More importantly, which tire brands (700X23) seem best suited for distance riding- centuries and more?
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For racing ypud like a light weight, low resistamce (high psi) tyre.

For training you will look for a tough tyre. I use the conti 4000s, they are a happy medium between performance and puncuture resistance. There are also tougher tyres like gatorskins, schwalbe marathon plus (regarddd as bomb proof).

MAny put a liner inside the tyre for double proteccion. Even with this, youll get a flat now and then. So being prepared is a MOST! Spare tube,co2 cartridge, co2 pump (hand pump), tyre levers, patch kit, presta adpter are SUPER IMPOTANT items on every ride.

Remember to buy a good floor pump, and pump up your tyres before every ride

Ride hard, ride safe, enjoy life.
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I've been really happy with Maxxis Re-Fuse tires. They're training tires, and they have superb flat protection. With them, I really don't worry about flats. I still bring stuff to fix flats with me, but I usually end up fixing other people's flats with it. I rarely get a flat with these tires. I do not use liners.

I stay away from fancy racing tires at all costs. Training tires are what you want. You can race on Training tires better than you can train on racing tires.
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By asking about 700x23 you're probably talking clinchers, which are tires that mount on rims via beads.

Racing tires emphasize weight and traction. Think soft race car tires - they're really light, you can squish them in your hands, but you need to change them after 20 minutes of driving.

Training tires emphasize durability, to the detriment of weight, sometimes traction, definitely casing suppleness. Think regular car tires - they're very stiff, heavy, but you can drive them for 40 or 50 thousand miles before you need to replace them.

There are also tubular tires where the tube is sewn into the casing, but that's a different story altogether.

I know you can Google all that stuff. The part that really counts is, "how does it feel when you ride?" I think that a lighter tire feels snappier (acceleration), but other than that I don't notice much. I experiment and corner at what I perceive to be my limits and haven't noticed a huge difference between training tires (with kevlar belts etc that typically weigh 250-300g) and racing tires (typically low 200g range).

Since I have tubulars for racing, my clinchers are either for training or backups for racing. I put training clinchers on there. I race them frequently. I've also done 5-7 hour rides on them (up to about 120 miles, some involving a lot of climbing), repeatedly, with no ill effect.

I've been beaten, while on my lighter and more aero tubular wheelsets, by guys that not only are on their training tires, but rode 20 or 30 miles to the race and would ride back from the race. Tires won't affect your performance relative to others that much but it brings you up a small step within a rider's limited performance envelope.
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I ride 'race' tires all the time. Pro race 3's work great for me. If you're worried about flats I don't think you can beat gatorskins and as the first reply said gp4000's are a great one as well.
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CDR's post is outstanding. It said 95% of what needed to be said.

Depending on who you ask, you get differing answers for what is a 'race' tire. I would consider it a tire that is light, fast, and short-lived to where you want to ride it almost exclusively on race days. These are tires that have thin tread which is worn away quickly, such as the conti attack & force, vittoria corsa evo slick, etc and they typically last under 1,000 miles. (possibly even less than 400.)

However, tires like the michelin pro race 3 and conti gp4000s are plenty good for amateurs to race on, and the gp4000s is well-know for longevity as well, generally lasting over 2,000 miles on the rear and a lot more on the front. Because of their life and resistance to punctures, these types of tires are generally referred to as 'training'. There are many cheaper and lower performance tires as well, which work well for everyday use.

Unless you just want to see what a set of race-day-only tires is like, I would stick to very high performance 'training' tires.

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CDR's post is outstanding. It said 95% of what needed to be said.
CDR's posts are ALWAYS outstanding.
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Originally Posted by echotraveler View Post
MAny put a liner inside the tyre for double proteccion. Even with this, youll get a flat now and then.
I bought a used bike not too long ago. One day, I was out riding it, and got a flat. Pulled the tire off, and found a liner in there. You're right ... they don't protect you 100 % from flats.
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