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Old 02-26-12, 05:53 AM
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Dura-Ace 9000

https://www.fiets.nl/2012/02/25/debuut-shimano-11-speed/
[Translated from Dutch...]

Debut Shimano 11-speed
February 25, 2012 | By Rodrick | Posted in Bike News , Homepage , News

"It's nice looking bikes at the start of the Flemish classic season. Especially when there is some spotting.
We saw the new Giant Defy and, for the first course, Shimano Dura-Ace 11 speed.

It was a bit houwtje-string, clearly a prototype of the milling machine, but it was there: Shimano 11 speed.
Just tallying the sprockets, yes, it's true: 11. Only one rider rode: shirt number 31 vanSky: Dowsett.

And for the first time in the race. There is much to tell, about the new group of Shimano, but that was
all not to see the stuff on the bike XXX. That was just a prototype. Mechanical, not electronic.

Brake calipers that little triangular than the 7900-variant. Something else shaped levers. How do they feel?
We were not allowed to sit. Pulled the bike is a lot of attention: everyone wanted him to see you.

A little further on, at Rabobank, the new Giant Defy ISP of the cars safely. Something more comfortable
than their 'normal' racing machine, especially with the Vittorio 25mm tubes. And that is necessary in the
cobblestones. Everyone in the team rode, except Barredo. It did not much: no rider in the top ten.
But whether it is on the bike? We have seen a lot. Now we do our homework. In issue 4 of Cycle
read more!
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They have to do this to keep one up on SRAM's new Red. I ride both sram and shimano, Force and DA/Ult respectively and still to this day must flip a coin as to what is better.
The smooth precision of shimano to the clanky yet very high quality of sram.
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They have to do this to keep one up on SRAM's new Red. I ride both sram and shimano, Force and DA/Ult respectively and still to this day must flip a coin as to what is better.
The smooth precision of shimano to the clanky yet very high quality of sram.
I think they want to be careful about releasing this time around.
I'll have Red on my next bike, but I can't wait to see what Shimano comes up with.
Those brakes look like they could stop a motorcycle almost.
I'm not lusting after 11 speeds (yet), but am more interested in Shimano bringing
7800-like shifting with 7900 features (like cable routing, adjustability, etc...).
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Looks like they got rid of the giant hole in the underside of the 7900 shifters.
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So to summarize and conclude, one can just get Campagnolo 11 EPS and have the best looking groupset, 11 speeds, and electric.
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I would be happier if they would make their shifters easier to work on / more serviceable rather than 10 grams lighter or adding another gear.

I just rebuilt a Rival and 6700 bike this weekend. And replacing cable on the SRAM is much easier.
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Originally Posted by kimconyc View Post
So to summarize and conclude, one can just get Campagnolo 11 EPS and have the best looking groupset, 11 speeds, and electric.
Is that the one with the Sora-like tab?
Or is that Record?
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Originally Posted by 2ndGen View Post
Is that the one with the Sora-like tab?
Or is that Record?
All campy shifters EPS included have thumb levers to drop into smaller gears. No they're nothing like Sora.

Personally I don't get the point of Shimano going to 11. Campy already did it. SRAM red is still going to be lighter I'd bet. All this is going o do is destroy backwards compatibility and fragment their own line. I'm not sure why they're not just pouring all their efforts into making a lighter and cleaner Di2 because that's where they're ahead of the competition. How pissed is PCad going to be in 2013 when he has to shell out for Di2 11 speed?
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I'll take Campy EPS.
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Originally Posted by 2ndGen View Post
Is that the one with the Sora-like tab?
Or is that Record?
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Originally Posted by alpha_bravo View Post
... I'm not sure why they're not just pouring all their efforts into making a lighter and cleaner Di2...

From what I've read, a new lighter and cleaner DA Di2 is on the way, but it'll be 11 speed.
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Thanks for posting this.

I wonder what's up with the middle arm of the brake? They are normally solid, but this one appears to have some sort of tongue and groove. Is it another pivot? Leverage adjustment?

I like the shape of the levers and hoods. It looks close to 7800 which is still my favorite. I'd consider 9000 but I have a lot of 10sp stuff, including super wide range cassettes for climbing races that would not be available in 11sp. And I don't like the idea of all my wheels becoming obsolete, or the poor rear hub flange spacing that 11sp requires.
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Originally Posted by kimconyc View Post
So to summarize and conclude, one can just get Campagnolo 11 EPS and have the best looking groupset, 11 speeds, and electric.
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They do feel like that until you adjust your riding form. You should be peddling in smooth circles with your heals and toes parallel to each other. I first began using X2 Speedplays in 1999 and at first did not like them. Two weeks later I had fully adjusted my riding style. When hopping back on my old bike and shoes (Look) i could not believe that I had ridden that configuration for 15 years up until my switch to Speedplay.
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im going to hold out on buying 11sp as long as possible. its so stupid.
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Originally Posted by ericm979 View Post
Thanks for posting this.

I wonder what's up with the middle arm of the brake? They are normally solid, but this one appears to have some sort of tongue and groove. Is it another pivot? Leverage adjustment?

I like the shape of the levers and hoods. It looks close to 7800 which is still my favorite. I'd consider 9000 but I have a lot of 10sp stuff, including super wide range cassettes for climbing races that would not be available in 11sp. And I don't like the idea of all my wheels becoming obsolete, or the poor rear hub flange spacing that 11sp requires.
Yeah. It looks like 7800 is going to be hard to beat as far as loyalty goes.
I wouldn't be surprised if more riders went to Sram from 7800 than to 7900.
I can't believe that Shimano would shoot themselves in the foot and limit
wheel options for their groups. That just wouldn't make any sense at all.
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im going to hold out on buying 11sp as long as possible. its so stupid.
only noobs need 11 speeds
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only noobs need 11 speeds
all those fools using campy 11 speed are missing out on that 1mm their ds flanges could be pushed more to the outside
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I got to thinking.....aside from Microshift (odd man out) why is there only 3 main players in the diverse and lucrative arena of bicycle components?
Shimano, Campagnolo and SRAM. I know there's a few stragglers; Miche, Token, FSA, etc.
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Originally Posted by ThinLine View Post
I got to thinking.....aside from Microshift (odd man out) why is there only 3 main players in the diverse and lucrative arena of bicycle components?
Shimano, Campagnolo and SRAM. I know there's a few stragglers; Miche, Token, FSA, etc.
Campganolo's annual sales are $142M. FSA's annual sales are $10M (https://justenjoyit.posterous.com/cam...the-full-story)

In the latest quarter, Apple did over $46.3B in sales (https://investor.apple.com/).

Just saying.
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/\ Understand although if a start-up company brings out components of revolutionary or even evolutionary appeal, can meet or exceed the quality, function and aestheics of the big 3, then we have a player who's sales can match Campy's.
Cyclist are not easy to embrace newbies and will stay with the tried and true but look what SRAM did in just a few short years.
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I am kind of surprised they would develop a new high-end mechanical group instead of focusing efforts on electronic. Electronic is the future, 11 sp is so yesterday.
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