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New to road bikes: Trek 1.1 vs. Giant Defy 5

Old 02-27-12, 06:38 PM
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New to road bikes: Trek 1.1 vs. Giant Defy 5

I've competed in different kinds of fitness events over a number of years now and have signed up for a 240 mile ride over 3 days. It's not a race per se, more a charity ride that will probably kick my butt if I do it on my Rockhopper with slick tires.

I weigh between 205-210 and am 6'4" so I'm not expecting to set any blitzing times and don't want to blow too much cash on an ultra carbon/expensive bike. I assume the road bike I choose will blow my mtb out of the sweaty water I'll be putting out but my question lies in those who have more experience with the brands and models I've narrowed it down to.

If you can, give me the pro's and con's between the Trek 1.1 and Giant Defy 5. Taking into account I don't plan on competing in race conditions, but would like to set a fast pace for myself over long distances without breaking my body.

Also, give or take I can keep a 17 mph pace over about 20 miles on fairly flat land on the Rockhopper (with the slicks at about 80 psi). How much more is that likely to improve with the above choices?

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I, too, have a RockHopper with slicks. I would NOT try a 240 mile/3 day ride on it. NEVER. Maybe some would, but they're tougher than I am.

Do you plan on keeping riding or is this a one-time type thing? Have you ridden each of the bikes. I found the Defy (carbon) VERY comfortable, but I never rode the Trek. At 6'4", one may fit a whole lot better than the other.
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I plan on continuing to ride when I get the chance but with my 3rd child on the way, time to ride is going to be limited to say the least.

The road bike is going to be a commuter/trainer (when I get the chance). I've only done the ride home once on an old Cannondale (dual shock, FAT tube frame) MTB work bike and made it, but I had to find a ride back to my car the following day as I was hurtin'. I want to be able to pull off a 60+ mile round trip commute and not be broken in the end. Not to mention 80 miles a day for 3 days.

With all that said, if this ride is comfortable enough, I'm going to keep it and use it. At my height, I don't know what to do frame wise. The Defy 5 in a local shop is a large frame and I understand they make them in XL so I wonder if I'll have to keep searching. I haven't actually found a 1.1 yet, but the 1.2 I found too isn't technically the largest frame available at 60 cm.

Any other experiences?
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I would save up $200 more and get a bike around $1000 instead of $800. You'll get a far better value because the components are a big jump in reliability and smooth shifting.
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Of the two, I would take the Giant > Trek every time in regards to bang for the buck. The Defy is a nice bike, but I am with icy on this and put yourself at 1k dollar mark, there is a level jump.
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If there's a Felt dealer around you, check out the F85. You'll have in the drops shifting, 10 speed cassette with a 105 derailleur, tapered headtube, choice of colors, carbon fiber fork (the 1.1 and Defy 5 didn't), and Mavic rims that sometimes come on $2k carbon bikes! Compare that to other $1k bikes.
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Originally Posted by CFar View Post
I've competed in different kinds of fitness events over a number of years now and have signed up for a 240 mile ride over 3 days. It's not a race per se, more a charity ride that will probably kick my butt if I do it on my Rockhopper with slick tires.

I weigh between 205-210 and am 6'4" so I'm not expecting to set any blitzing times and don't want to blow too much cash on an ultra carbon/expensive bike. I assume the road bike I choose will blow my mtb out of the sweaty water I'll be putting out but my question lies in those who have more experience with the brands and models I've narrowed it down to.

If you can, give me the pro's and con's between the Trek 1.1 and Giant Defy 5. Taking into account I don't plan on competing in race conditions, but would like to set a fast pace for myself over long distances without breaking my body.

Also, give or take I can keep a 17 mph pace over about 20 miles on fairly flat land on the Rockhopper (with the slicks at about 80 psi). How much more is that likely to improve with the above choices?

Thanks,
Chris
Hi Chris.

Welcome aboard.

You will improve on the road bike for sure.
Also, out of those two, both are close in spec.
I'd say "fit" would be the determining factor there.
You really have to actually ride both to determine
which of the two fits you better (if you haven't).

Other than that, having a Trek as my first road bike
and having a great experience with it, thats' what I'd
take. Trek's 1.X series has regularly won entry-level
bike comparison tests and the Defy has also. Again,
both are decent bikes.

Good luck with your choice and I look forward to your
first post after riding one of them and telling us how
much better the road bike is.

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I've looked through this forum and the vast net for reviews on Motobecane but have largely come up with nothing. At the same price point in MB's Vent Noir, I see Tiagra/105 gearsets are available with Vuelta Zerolite or XPR wheels. Included is a carbon fork.

Aside from the disdain at the local bike shops, if I get it set up properly, is this a good choice? What's the catch?
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Originally Posted by CFar View Post
I've looked through this forum and the vast net for reviews on Motobecane but have largely come up with nothing. At the same price point in MB's Vent Noir, I see Tiagra/105 gearsets are available with Vuelta Zerolite or XPR wheels. Included is a carbon fork.

Aside from the disdain at the local bike shops, if I get it set up properly, is this a good choice? What's the catch?
There is the risk of not being happy with the bike once you receive it, not having it fit you properly + the added costs of having to pay to have your bike assembled & being fitted to it to consider in the sum total cost to you (if you don't know how to do it yourself).

Also, if the bike needs to be warrantied, there's the hassle of having to pack it up and send it back to the distributor as opposed to just dropping it off at your LBS. Usually, LBS's will give you either your first tune-up free and some shops even provide free lifetime tune-ups/adjustments.



Outside of that, it's a very attractive bike. A lot of bike for the money.

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Old 02-27-12, 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by IcySmooth52 View Post
If there's a Felt dealer around you, check out the F85. You'll have in the drops shifting, 10 speed cassette with a 105 derailleur, tapered headtube, choice of colors, carbon fiber fork (the 1.1 and Defy 5 didn't), and Mavic rims that sometimes come on $2k carbon bikes! Compare that to other $1k bikes.
I just Googled the F85 - looks like a sweet bike. Good advice.
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Old 02-27-12, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Lexi01 View Post
I just Googled the F85 - looks like a sweet bike. Good advice.
Whoa! That Felt 85 is an awesome deal. More 105, Mavic CXP22 wheels.
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with microshift?? Who cares about a 105 derailleur, when you get a micro-shift shifter. Better off with a so-so grouppo than this oddball mix.
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I completely agree. Both bikes are a pretty bad investment if you plan on riding a bit. Save up for at least a 1.2 (1.5 is better).
That shimano non-series componentry is pretty crappy.
As far as your question, very little separates these bikes. Buy the cheaper one, or better yet, the one with a better service plan.
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Originally Posted by delnorte View Post
I completely agree. Both bikes are a pretty bad investment if you plan on riding a bit. Save up for at least a 1.2 (1.5 is better).
That shimano non-series componentry is pretty crappy.
As far as your question, very little separates these bikes. Buy the cheaper one, or better yet, the one with a better service plan.
By non series, I think you are referring to the 2200/2300 series. They work just fine, but they are clunkier and a lot loudder and less smooth athan anything in a 4500 or better group. Also, completely agree about the microshifting. It is actually really nice stuff, but to act like 105 is the highlight in an otherwise MicroShift group is false. The Motobecane is a fine bike and for the pricepoint, one of the best. If you don't know how to assemble a bike, pay the 50-100 dollars to have your LBS do it. However, I am more than confident that if you ask questions, you can build it yourself with our help. Typically the Deailleurs and everything are all tuned and adjusted. You just have to put the stuff on the bike. (Front Wheel, Stem/Handlebars, Pedals, brakes) and then adjust the brakes and gears and you are good to go.
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Originally Posted by 2ndGen View Post
Whoa! That Felt 85 is an awesome deal. ..
....if it fits. In one day, I tested the Synapse, Tarmac, Roubaix, Felt Z5, and Defy Advanced 2 and 3. The Roubaix was my least favorite. The Felt was next up. My top choices were the Defy Advanced 2 and Tarmac. The Defy was the most comfortable and the Tarmac was begging to be ridden hard. It was just a fun ride. I'm in no way saying you will find the same thing. However, that day taught me the test ride is really important. Your list will vary from mine, but I do think you'll notice a difference.

Now, with that said, I'm going to "speak out of both sides of my mouth". I'm seriously considering a MB Ti bike. I know you can't test ride it, but I'm one who keeps their stuff for a long time. My RockHopper is from '97. The reviews on that bike are great and the ride is supposed to be comfortable yet lively. I think I may be willing to take a chance on it.

I hear you talking about not racing, 80 mile rides and comfortable. If you are going to look at the Felt, remember the F series is their "race" geometry while the Z is their comfort series. I would try both and see what you like better. In the Giant, the TCR is race and Defy is comfort.

You rode a Defy in a large? I'm 6'2" with 34" levis and the large was a really good fit for me. I would most definitely try the XL. Be careful the lbs doesn't fit you to a large just because they don't stock an XL.

What part of the country are you in? I'm in L.A. and know of 5 stores that stock Giants. Many don't have that luxury, but it's worth a drive to another lbs for you to get the right bike the the first time.

Enjoy your hunt.
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Just make sure whatever you get actually fits and you don't get pushed into whatever the lbs has in stock. 240 miles is a long way to go in 3 days on a bike that doesn't fit right. I would expect some improvement in speed, but not a ton.
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Wow, I appreciate the input.

As far as size goes with the large frame, that was my initial apprehension in that I don't want to settle for a frame that is too small. Its enough to put me off from Giant. That and the listed MSRP is $729 even though their website says 700.

I think I'll go with Motobecane unless there is convincing evidence otherwise. I have a coworker and good friend who works on our work bikes that can help set it up if I need help. I have some experience with wrenching on cars and even a trike I bought so that is really the least of my worries fortunately. My biggest concern is the MB's overall quality, durability.
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Originally Posted by CFar View Post
Wow, I appreciate the input.

As far as size goes with the large frame, that was my initial apprehension in that I don't want to settle for a frame that is too small. Its enough to put me off from Giant. That and the listed MSRP is $729 even though their website says 700.

I think I'll go with Motobecane unless there is convincing evidence otherwise. I have a coworker and good friend who works on our work bikes that can help set it up if I need help. I have some experience with wrenching on cars and even a trike I bought so that is really the least of my worries fortunately. My biggest concern is the MB's overall quality, durability.
That's great that you have a bud who works on bikes.
The MB comes with great bits (and is IMO a nice looker too).
Quality-wise, it's made in the same factory that produces
the Trek and Specialize's entry-level frames.
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Eh Giant makes the bike for Trek. Get the one that you like better on the test ride or that you think looks cooler.
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Someone's take on where BD bikes are made...

Originally Posted by jeepster93 View Post
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I talked to MotobecaneUSA and Bikes direct before I purchased the bike and will tell you what I was told...

1- the frame is made in one of the 3 bike factories in Taiwan(NOT CHINA), the same factory that makes name brand frames,(the Giant frame factory, which makes several "name brand" bikes).
2- the ti material is the EXACT SAME titanium used on the other bikes( You just wont know what alloy as Motobecane buys what is there, so if the factory was using 305, you get 305, if the factory was using 310(making another name brand) you get 310)
3- the welds are welded by the EXACT SAME people that welded the name brand bike.
4- the frame is THE SAME FRAME the name brands use, it just has MOTOBECANE stickers on it instead of TREK or??? stickers on it.
Kind of like an overstock/overrun frame.
5- the carbon fiber is the same as used in the name brand bikes, blah, blah.
6- the groupo...Shimano Ultegra 6700 is Shimano Ultegra 6700.
7- Specialized was NOT gonna let me test ride their ti $2500 bike either.
8- the frame has a lifetime warranty

However...the instructions blew! They were kind of a generic bike book, not even really made for my particular bike and was close to useless. Bikes Direct sell a DVD for $30 that explains how to assemble their high end bikes, if you are not going to take it to an lbs...buy the dvd. You DO get all the instructions that comes with the groupo though.


How do I like my bike?

I LOVE MY BIKE!!!

It weighs almost nothing- 16 pounds out of box, after pedals and a more padded/comfortable seat, bottle cages, a speed computer it weight less than 18 pounds, like 17 pounds 6 ounces on the street for a 58 cm bike...not bad!
It has a nice set of hand made wheels on it
It is so fast, it is almost scary
It is stiff, but the carbon fiber is a great shock absorber. Not as stiff as an aluminum frame, but I was never a fan of the ride aluminum gives anyway. Reminds me of the way CROMO steel bikes rides(but without the weight)

I will go take a pic of a weld and post it so you can at least see how it put together...
Wow. Someone posted a pic of one of BD's frames along with the Trek 1.1's and they looked identical.
Not in anyway denying that Giant is making their frames. Either BD is ripping off Giant designs or
getting their frames from Giant as well.

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At this price, the shop's attention to detail with regards to fitting you and doing a top-notch assembly is more important than agonizing over minor spec details.

That said, the Trek 1.2 or better yet, 1.5 (now 10 speeds in the back!) are fine choices as are about any in that price range, provided the shop is on their game and does a good job. Remember, it's kinda like a marriage-you aren't just buying the bike, you're buying the assembly and fit, and they should all be done well, or the bike, no matter the parts won't be fun to ride.
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Good advice there OP from a man who knows what he's talking about. ^^^
My first bike was a Trek 1.5 (today's Trek 2.1/3).
Great first bike. Today's Trek 1.5 is the previous 1.2.
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If you know your size and feel comfortable with a build (or have a buddy who is), then bd offers real value. For the use you describe, I think you should also consider a good ol' steel bike. The Swinn LeTour Legacy with 105 shifters is a sweet deal at $800. https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/..._legacy_xi.htm . I also think it's a classy looking machine.
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