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Old 03-31-12, 01:14 PM
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Hey All!

Been a while since I posted here!

Glad to see my sticky is still "stuck" up top, with over 11 million views. Perhaps BF can give me some "funding" for all the traffic I've gotten them

Anywhooo...shopping for a road bike. I have a relationship with a few of the LBS in the Toronto area, but of course want your advise. I am lucky to live in a large city with endless supplies of bike selection.

I will be new to road-riding, but plan to get into it really quick! My Rocky Mountain mountain bike does all my road riding now.

Yes, first and foremost, "ride the bikes, do you like them". I wholeheartedly agree with that and absolutely agree that no matter what my fellow community members here recommend, the final decision will ultimately come down to what I like, and not what some fellow riders on the internet may recommend. That being said, I absolutely value the opinion of most members here!

I am generally looking for an Ultegra equipped bike in the $3000-$3300 CDN range (before tax). Models that offer such features / range are the Trek Madone 4.7 / 5.2, and the Cannondale Supersix 3 Ultegra. I will consider myself an Avid Recreational rider who is still very picky about the performance and reliability of what I am riding. My goal...get a good ride, and I'll ride it even more! I am NOT a brand name must-have guy. If you know of other brands that offer the same / more quality, I am absolutely willing to listen.

Now, please, if you're simply going to slam "Trek" or "Cannondale", your feedback really isn't necessary. I've read the threads, I've read the "opinions". I am looking for constructive discussion so that I may be more educated when making my final decision. Components are components, but ultimately, it comes down to a comparision / recommendation of the frames that are out there. The other factor is the value that I will get for that range, and where my focus should be spent (wheels vs components vs frame, etc...)

I will also be getting new Road pedals...either Ultegra SPD or Time iClic2

Anyways, let the discussion begin! I am looking to purchase ASAP!

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I'm shopping in that price range for carbon/ultegra. Are you interested in a more aggressive riding position? The Supersix is more aggressive and the Synapse has a bit more upright riding position. The Madone comes in H2/H3 frame geometries. Specialized has the Tarmac and Roubaix but Specialized prices are probably $500 higher than Trek/Cannondales. Cervelo is also above your price range in Ultegra. I think Felt F4/Z4 should be in that price range. And there is also Giant Defy Advanced (and TCR?) that are typically priced on the lower end. If you can find a '11 model in your size, the Specialized might be in your price range.

I've test ridden Synapse, Felt Z4 and Madone 5.2. Rain is moving out and tomorrow I'm going to try to find a Supersix in my size. I personally find the Roubaix ugly to look at. I have yet to ride anything in an aggressive geometry, although I like the look of the Supersix best, but my guess is that the more aggressive geometry bikes are not going to fit my female skeleton size too well.
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The H2 geometry on the Trek was good for me. H3 is too upright for me.
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Assuming "dealing with Trek" wasn't a post-sale concern for me, what other reasons would I have to not look at other brands?
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I ride a SuperSix Ultegra and love it.

Have you looked at the Specialized bikes? The Tarmac would fit your budget too. I love the look of them but unfortunately their penchant for sloping top tubes means I can't fit on one without a massively long seat post...anyway, I'm starting to rant.

But with that budget you can't go wrong...enjoy the search.
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I did check out the Specialized bikes. For whatever reason, they seem to be about $300 higher priced than the equivalent bikes in the other brands...

Between the Madone 4.7 and 5.2 is $350 + tax ($400). Main differences are the Seatmast instead of Carbon Seat Post, internal cable routing, and a couple other very very minor tweaks. Considering keeping the $400 in my pocket unless I can be convinced in the long term that the difference would be worth it for someone with my needs. That money can buy new SPD-SL's, shoes, and a computer anyways. Also, not to be a stickler for colour, but the paint job on the 4.7 is nicer too...just putting that out there.

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Originally Posted by WorldIRC
Between the Madone 4.7 and 5.2 is $350 + tax ($400). Main differences are the Seatmast instead of Carbon Seat Post, internal cable routing, and a couple other very very minor tweaks. Considering keeping the $400 in my pocket unless I can be convinced in the long term that the difference would be worth it for someone with my needs. That money can buy new SPD-SL's, shoes, and a computer anyways. Also, not to be a stickler for colour, but the paint job on the 4.7 is nicer too...just putting that out there.
As has been often said, try them all and choose what's best for you. Having said that, I moved from a 2011 Madone 4.5 to a 2012 Madone 5.2 and no question, it's a better bike and I'm happy with my choice.

Have fun looking them over picking out your new bike.
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Originally Posted by WorldIRC
I did check out the Specialized bikes. For whatever reason, they seem to be about $300 higher priced than the equivalent bikes in the other brands...

Between the Madone 4.7 and 5.2 is $350 + tax ($400). Main differences are the Seatmast instead of Carbon Seat Post, internal cable routing, and a couple other very very minor tweaks. Considering keeping the $400 in my pocket unless I can be convinced in the long term that the difference would be worth it for someone with my needs. That money can buy new SPD-SL's, shoes, and a computer anyways. Also, not to be a stickler for colour, but the paint job on the 4.7 is nicer too...just putting that out there.
Thats Trek seatmast is a shocker - again it takes away valuable flexibility for us taller riders... Why can't they just stick a normal 27.2 or 31.6 seat post in there and let me swap their stock 300 for a 350/400...

Another rant...sorry...
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Originally Posted by Lexi01
Thats Trek seatmast is a shocker - again it takes away valuable flexibility for us taller riders... Why can't they just stick a normal 27.2 or 31.6 seat post in there and let me swap their stock 300 for a 350/400...

Another rant...sorry...
I'm only 5'9 or 5'10..."the average" if you will!
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As has been often said, try them all and choose what's best for you. Having said that, I moved from a 2011 Madone 4.5 to a 2012 Madone 5.2 and no question, it's a better bike and I'm happy with my choice.

Have fun looking them over picking out your new bike.
Of course, got to try them all. I have the best relationship with the Trek Toronto store.

Also, no question the 5.2 is the better bike...but is it a 10% increase in cost better for an "enthusiastic recreational rider", in your opinion?
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The frame is different on the 4 series. My guess it's a bit heavier with less carbon and more filler. You can purchase the cheaper Trek, buy better wheels with the money you saved and end up with a lighter bike than the 5.2.
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^Good to know, thanks!
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Just purchased the Madone 5.2!
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you've been here long enough. You can't say you bought a new bike and NOT post pics!
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Originally Posted by WorldIRC
Just purchased the Madone 5.2!
Pix or it didn't happen!

Seriously....congrats.
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Pics will come in a day or two! Paid for half now due to daily limit on my debit card! Can hardly wait!
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Originally Posted by WorldIRC
Just purchased the Madone 5.2!
I've no doubt that you will enjoy it!

Did you choose the Carbon Smoke (Black) or the Red & White?
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Originally Posted by RobertL
I've no doubt that you will enjoy it!

Did you choose the Carbon Smoke (Black) or the Red & White?
Carbon Smoke.
I would've liked the 4.7 colour in a 5.2, but alas that isn't possible Too much red in the 5.2
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Still contemplating pedals....should I get the Ultegras to match the groupset or what?
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Carbon Smoke.
I would've liked the 4.7 colour in a 5.2, but alas that isn't possible Too much red in the 5.2
I went with the Carbon Smoke color as well, but would have liked the color scheme of the Madone 4.6.

As for pedals, I had Shimano 105s on my Madone 4.5 and they served me well, but I did spring for some Ultegra 6700 Carbon pedals on the Madone 5.2. I found a very good deal on them at Planet Cyclery for $140. They weigh only 12 grams more than the Dura-Ace at a much lower cost (the Dura-Ace carbon pedals also have better bearings). They've gone up about $9 but they're still a very good deal at that price.
If interested: https://www.planetcyclery.com/pedals/...spd-sl-pedals/
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you should have bought an Argon and supported Canada...
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I just ordered the Schwalbe Ultremo ZX tires (I love Schwalbe) and the Ultegra Grey pedals from Chain Reaction. Should arrive to Canada in a couple days. The Bontrager R3's that come with the bike do have some retail value, but I don't like them personally. Hopefully my LBS will let me apply some of their value towards shoes.
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Congrats! Excellent choice! It's good to know that other people buy bikes in colors they aren't crazy about. Can't wait to see the pics. Treks don't get much love here.
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